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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Salty, Jun 27, 2022.

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  1. AustinC

    AustinC Well-Known Member

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    Unless God quickens them by His Spirit, there is no reason in the world that they would choose to subject themselves under any master when they, themselves, aspire to sit on the throne. Telling someone to willingly step down from the high position they aspire to and become a lowly servant would be utterly foolish to them as they strive to be their own ruler.

    Until they see that their own rulership is a grand illusion that Satan has set before them while he controls them with a heavy hand, they will see themselves as free will people who only choose the route that best sets themselves up to rule.
    That was the mindset of Judas and it is the mindset of all humans who are under the yoke of Satan. And make no mistake, just like Judas, who was walking with Jesus, when their master, the devil, pulls their chain, they will abandon Christianity in a heartbeat and betray Christians to gain the power they thirst for.
    So, only by God's grace can you be saved. No other means.
     
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    It's not a false statement. You are taking the word "all" and forcing it to be universally all of the disciples, including Judas, who the very next verse is excluded from the "all."

    I answered the second half of the question in the post above.
     
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    Clearly you do not understand the bible. Salvation is conditioned on faith in the Son. You can find that in all those verses that you ignore.
     
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    Show me the verse that specifically say that.
     
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    There is the typical evasive non answer that you get from a Calvinist when they have no answer.
     
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    Another example of the lack of ability of the average Calvinist to use or understand context.
     
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    You do use a lot of words to say nothing. God requires us to hear and believe the gospel before He saves us. Why you keep denying this I do not know, but you do.
     
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    You do use a lot of words to say nothing. God knows he must speak life into us for us to believe the gospel in faith. Why you keep denying this I do not know, but you do.
     
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    On the contrary, unconditional election can never be true.

    Unmerited election is true. And unmerited is a required condition of the election.
     
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    Really? That there's no reason for anyone to become a Christian?
     
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    So you suppose. So Jesus meant He shed His blood for only the 11 He was speaking to.
     
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    Wow.
     
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    Universalism is not true. You are imposing a view on me I never advocated. Without general redemption no one can know Christ paid for one's sins.
     
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    If you mean that God does not set a condition for his election from before the world began, then I agree. Nowhere does God tell us of any conditions we must meet in order for Him to display saving grace to us.

    Our election is unmerited in that it is an eternal election from before the world began, meaning that your name was written into the will before you ever had breath. Your salvation was made possible and made reality by God alone.

    Now, how you make unmerited into a required "condition" is beyond me. Here you are forcing some fine hair, that you imagine is there, into something that God has never stated. It comes off as you looking for an angle to blame God, though I don't believe you intend it or imagine it to be what you are doing. You desperately want to know the condition God set when God gives you no condition for his eternal plan.
     
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    No you are just trying to change definitions of terms. You have no standing here.
     
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    Faith is the vehicle to seal the salvation that has already been decided. It is NOT the cause of the salvation.
     
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    Indeed, universalism is not true. But, you claiming the "all" as a universal "all" forces that position.
    The context of the passage makes the "all" particular and thus excludes Judas. But, you refuse to acknowledge that exclusion (even though the very next verse shows us the exclusion).
     
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    Some are blinded by their need for a humanistic sense of fairness. We must all be treated as equal in their eyes as that, in their mind, is the only fair thing to do.
     
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    They are really stating that cannot trust God to make correct and right decisions in area of salvation!
     
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    Wow, you just can't help yourself can you? You just have to deny scripture so you can hold to your false ideas of salvation.
     
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