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Featured Definition of Calvinism???

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Salty, Jun 27, 2022.

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    Brightfame52 Well-Known Member

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    You making this too complicated. A Preacher just preaches the Gospel, its Gods business as to the results, and who hears it.
     
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    Luke 22:19-21 is the explicit evidence Judas was included in the atonement.
     
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    False accusation ! I dont know whose damned. You may be one of Gods elect for all I know. So you are a false accuser at this point.
     
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    No thats your own imposition !
     
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    Oh, it is not your responsibility to tell anyone about the gospel.
     
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    I agree, but isn't "Faith" a gift from God? (placing control of giving the gift back in God's hands)
     
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    I have no special "goggles" that will allow me to see which hearts God has opened (Acts of the Apostles 16:14) and which God has not (Romans 1:24, Romans 1:26, Romans 1:28), so I must broadcast the seed everywhere - to good soil and bad - because I cannot see the difference from my vantage point.
     
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    It must really bug you when someone does not walk in lockstep with your errant theology. You keep repeating Rom 3:11 as if it is some kind of magic incantation. If that is what you are basing your theology on you have serious problems.
     
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    Faith in the Son is the condition that God requires for salvation. "but isn't "Faith" a gift from God" NO
     
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    What are you talking about. Are you on the planet earth ?
     
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    Evidently it bugs you. The Truth is very clear Rom 3:11

    11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
     
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    Irrelevant. We are to present the gospel to everyone. The parable of the sower are cases in point. And supports the notion of the redemption honestly being offered to all.
     
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    Then, by your own explanation, it is man's faith, apart from God, that God requires from man, before He will even entertain saving that person.

    Silverhair, follow that chain to where the source of the cause is located in your gospel. Hint: The cause is not God, in your gospel.

    Your gospel is literally no different than the gospel of Muhammad, Buddha, or Smith in that all of them taught man's personal faith in God as the means of salvation...if God would grant mercy.

    You strip God of His glory and give the glory to the man who wills his own faith to move God into action.

    Since you declare that faith is not a gift of God, then it is clear that, to you, faith is a work of man.

    Silverhair, no Godward person would ever hold your teaching about salvation.
     
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    Stop making false accusations.
     
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    Is not everyone.
     
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    Wrong, it is explicitly clear that Judas was damned. You are implying an atonement to Judas that is not provided in this text. You are turning the "all" into a universal atonement, which therefore makes it universalism...no matter how much you balk at this being true.
     
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    Let me ask you this. Do you personally stop everyone you pass by and tell them the gospel message? If not, you are breaking your own requirement.
     
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    God owes us nothing, so salvation can not be considered a reward, it is an act of grace. But the question remains, how do we receive this act of grace, this salvation that God offers? By FAITH, thus we do not earn it. Since grace comes from God and we bring only our faith, it is clear that salvation does not come from us but from God.

    Faith, brings a man empty to God, that he may be filled with the blessings of Christ.

    Faith in the Son is what God requires before we are saved.
     
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    You keep repeating the same line. Still does not make your view correct.
     
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    But your objection is to a strawman argument. You are objecting a fantasy that doesn't exist.
     
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