Featured Definition of Calvinism???

Two false statements which shows you do not understand either.
Grace Romans 11:6.
Not a work Romans 4:5.

 

Wishful thinking on your part. Now if you really want unconditional that is universalism. I know full well "unconditional election" is no universalism.

 

You do condition salvation on what man does. Thats works

 

No it is not wishful thinking, it is fact. You make unconditional election to be something dtotally different than what the doctrine actually is. Now, for clarification, I don't use the term unconditional election, I use sovereign election but it is the same thing.

 

The Bible says we receive salvation by Grace. We receive it by God's choice to make us alive, even while we were dead in sins.

Where does the Bible say that "we bring only OUR faith"? Silverhair, as long as you emphasize yourself and "your" faith as the power that moves God to be gracious, you will be preaching a gospel that God does not teach in the Bible.

Ephesians 2:1-10 is very clear, yet you ignore the entire passage, except for the phrase "through faith" which you remove entirely from its context.

No one would ever be saved by your legalist requirements. All would remain dead in their sins.

"But God..."

 

I don't, God does. What does "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father . . ." meaning doing what?

 

So I take it you disagree with what I wrote. I just want to be sure that I do not misunderstand you.

 

If you believe in monergistic salvation do you also believe in monergistic damnation because it seems that at the same time that God chooses to irresistibly or effectually saved certain individuals before they've done anything good or bad, in other words before they're guilty before they've done anything sinful He's also making the choice to pass by or to leave others in their inevitable condemnation and that they have ultimately no choice in the matter. It’s not their sin that condemns them it is Gods’ arbitrary decision to pass them over that condemns them.

 

We are all guilty, except by the grace of God. This is the curse of Adam upon his offspring. This curse is only removed by the gracious choice of God through the atoning work of Christ Jesus. God gives us faith to believe (authored by Jesus and finished by Jesus [see Hebrews 12:2]).

You want all power to be in the hands of man. Power to sin and power to use faith as a magic wand that cause God to save. That's not what God says. You aren't in control, Silverhair.

 

The Bible and God disagrees with you, thus I disagree with you.

"But God..."

 

Sounds like you are saying you were saved by your works, apart from grace.

 

But you are trying to avoid your elect before creation statements. What Adam did has no effect on what God did. You are just trying to change the channel. Bring your response back to what I had said. Deal with the reality of your theology "If you believe in monergistic salvation do you also believe in monergistic damnation"

 

God declares, that he owes us nothing; so that salvation is not a reward or recompense, but unmixed grace. The next question is, in what way do men receive that salvation which is offered to them by the hand of God? The answer is, by faith; and hence he concludes that nothing connected with it is our own. If, on the part of God, it is grace alone, and if we bring nothing but faith, which strips us of all commendation, it follows that salvation does not come from us.
Faith, then, brings a man empty to God, that he may be filled with the blessings of Christ. Calvins Complete Commentary

So you disagree with Calvin also when he says salvation is from God faith is from us.

 

John 6:35-40 [NASB95]

35 Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst. 36 "But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe. 37 "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. 38 "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. 40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."​

Men see and do not believe; the Father gives and they come and receive eternal life.

 

The will of the Father is that " that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day"

Beholds and believes are both present active participles. The person has to see and believe, it is not done for or to them by God. Notice it is the will of the Father that the Son will raise up those that meet the conditions set by the Father.

 

Verses 36 and 37 place a fly in the ointment of “human free will choice” being the cornerstone of belief. (And yes, there are a lot of verses that say “all men” that require some ‘splainin’ if we want to champion “Monergism”. However, NEITHER set of verses can be ignored and the Father giving = all saved are a LOT harder to tap dance around.)

I have studied both sides carefully and could give a good defense for either position … I just find Monergism to be biblically stronger and my personal soteriological experience.

 

Compare vs 36 & 40.
Joh 6:36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day."

There are only two options God makes the man not believe or believe or man is the one that decides to not believe or believe. If it is God then God is responsible for mans rejection of Him which goes against 1Ti 2:3-4 "God...desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" If it is man then even though they have seen Christ {and heard} they reject Him or they see Christ {and hear} and choose to trust in Him. It is really not that complicated, it is right there in the text.

 

There are more than two options.

 

Know and accept or know and reject. TWO

 

The answer is...by grace. We receive salvation by grace. God does this through the gift of faith, which he gives.

Your view is that you, yourself, must willfully create your own faith. Then you must make sure God is aware of your own faith. Then you must convince God that your faith is worthy of saving. Then, and only then, can God review the data and either save by grace...or not.

Silverhair, that's a very similar method to what Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons, and many others do to get God's attention and hope he takes interest.