Dehumanizing Was the Whole Point

[Aaron]

The thing I rejoice in is that the radical left and radical right both tell me how I am a conservative or a liberal.

Yeah. Right.

 

[5 point Gillinist]

I think the Japanese have been wearing masks for decades when they are sick, and they are much healthier as a nation than the US is. I think not wearing a mask because of fierce independence is more important to you than your neighbors well being goes directly against God's command to treat your neighbor as yourself.

To be fair I don't expect my neighbor to wear one either.

 

[AustinC]

To be fair I don't expect my neighbor to wear one either.

That is a personal grace and I also don't worry about mask wearing, either way. The Bible tells me that God has my time in his hand. I don't tempt God, but I also don't fear death.
The Bible tells me to obey the government that God has raised up. It doesn't qualify this by telling me I can break the law if I personally don't like the inconvenience.
Radical individualism is not supported by the Bible. In fact, community is consistently supported in the Bible. The body of Christ, not just a big toe, functions together as one. What I observe in radical individualism is the rejection of strength by unity.
A small inconvenience of wearing a mask in public is not something I will whine about.

 

[777]

wait, it's "extreme individualism" not to wear a piece of cloth over your face that chokes me to the point of not being able to breathe?

the government doesn't obey the government, at least not this one. Big government and Big Pharma, godless entities that they are, should not and will not be blindly obeyed. Collectivism and groupthink are a thing of the left, and it's faulty reasoning to think that because some far-righty thinks you're a lefty and some far-lefty thinks you're a righty makes you some pragmatic centrist. The left thinks any Christian that's white is on the far right.

 

[AustinC]

wait, it's "extreme individualism" not to wear a piece of cloth over your face that chokes me to the point of not being able to breathe?

the government doesn't obey the government, at least not this one. Big government and Big Pharma, godless entities that they are, should not and will not be blindly obeyed. Collectivism and groupthink are a thing of the left, and it's faulty reasoning to think that because some far-righty thinks you're a lefty and some far-lefty thinks you're a righty makes you some pragmatic centrist. The left thinks any Christian that's white is on the far right.

Your post is an excellent example of avoiding your Christian responsibility to obey God's command to treat your neighbor as yourself and obey the government God has placed over you...even when it is Godless.
I expect the godless to be evil. I expect them to be crooked and hypocritical. They are following their master.
God gives Christians no mandate to be radical individualists who will fight against anyone and everyone who dares tell them to submit under authority. Such individualism is an idol that is made by the devil to keep Christians from running the race and get them bogged down in worthless politics while they watch their neighbor go to hell without even caring.

 

[Wingman68]

I give you the left…in it’s full glory…..look how cool she is…folx
Let these ‘folx’ have their way with your children’s education? Doomed.

 

[Wingman68]

I can’t believe the desperation of people to pretend they are going on with life. Funny? Nope.

 

[canadyjd]

Your post is an excellent example of avoiding your Christian responsibility to obey God's command to treat your neighbor as yourself and obey the government God has placed over you...

Actually, scripture says to “submit”, not “obey”. Many passages are clear we are to obey God rather than men. That particular passage in Romans, in context, is not to rebel and to pay your taxes.

When the “government” demanded Christians to worship idols, they disobeyed and suffered death instead. I could only pray God would strengthen me to do the same, suffering death rather than denying my Lord Jesus.

Furthermore, the President is not our government. Our federal “government” has not passed any laws concerning mask or vaccine mandates.

Let everyone be convinced in their own minds. Let us deal with those who disagree with grace and humility.

peace to you

 

[777]

yep, putting Romans 13 into context ^. You know you wouldn't be this way if they had blindly submitted to the British, and some of you would still be in slavery if everybody thought that the government was supremely ordained. Sheep mindset, and it makes no sense to claim to obey a godless satanic government else you are being tricked by Satan himself. Say what?

And mandatory masking is silly left-wing virtual signaling the Bible says nothing about. Not going to whine about it as long they don't whine about me not wearing the worthless thing.

 

[percho]

When government tries to become, "god," maybe then should be the time, "God," should send the Stone cut out of the mountain without hands?

Daniel 2

 

[AustinC]

yep, putting Romans 13 into context ^. You know you wouldn't be this way if they had blindly submitted to the British, and some of you would still be in slavery if everybody thought that the government was supremely ordained. Sheep mindset, and it makes no sense to claim to obey a godless satanic government else you are being tricked by Satan himself. Say what?

And mandatory masking is silly left-wing virtual signaling the Bible says nothing about. Not going to whine about it as long they don't whine about me not wearing the worthless thing.

History 101, Britain banned slavery before the US did.
Second, being under British rule was never being under slavery. It meant that your representative to Parliament had no vote in Parliament. People in the colonies were under the British rule of law. A legal system existed.
What the colonial fathers did was they ignored Romans 13. Why? Because many of them were Deists who didn't think God was Sovereign. They had a form of Godliness without any power.
Finally, God ordained that these rebels would overthrow another godless government and form their own godless government. That's history 101 for you.

 

[777]

so? Never said that the US abolished slavery before Britian did, but it took a bloody civil war in this country to do so - was the South violating Romans 13 when they tried to secede? History 101, you know.

Second, being under British rule was about being under rule by a tyrannical monarchy. Hey, it was a legal system!!! And the Founders didn't ignore Romans 13:

1) The colonists saw themselves not as anti-government but as anti-tyranny. That is, they were not promoting anarchy or the casting off of all restraint. They believed Romans 13 taught honor for the institution of government, but not necessarily for the individuals who ruled government. Therefore, since they supported God’s institution of government, the colonists believed that their actions against a specific oppressive regime were not a violation of the general principle of Romans 13.

2) The colonists pointed out that it was the king of England himself who was in violation of Scripture. No king who behaved so wickedly, they said, could be considered “God’s servant.” Therefore, it was a Christian’s duty to resist him. As Mayhew said in 1750, “Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.”

3) The colonists saw the war as a defensive action, not as an offensive war. And it is true that, in 1775 and 1776, the Americans had presented the king with formal appeals for reconciliation. These peaceful pleas were met with armed military force and several violations of British Common Law and the English Bill of Rights. In 1770, the British fired upon unarmed citizens in the Boston Massacre. At Lexington, the command was “Don’t fire unless fired upon.” The colonists, therefore, saw themselves as defending themselves after the conflict had been initiated by the British.

4) The colonists read 1 Peter 2:13, “Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority . . .,” and saw the phrase “for the Lord’s sake” as a condition for obedience. The reasoning ran thus: if the authority was unrighteous and passed unrighteous laws, then following them could not be a righteous thing. In other words, one cannot obey a wicked law “for the Lord’s sake.”

5) The colonists saw Hebrews 11 as justification for resisting tyrants. Gideon, Barak, Samson, and Jephthah are all listed as “heroes of faith,” and they were all involved in overthrowing oppressive governments.

Was the American Revolution a violation of Romans 13:1-7? | GotQuestions.org

makes sense to me. History, we are Baptists thanks to the Reformation - another example of not blindly submitting to authority. This is a constitutional republic not a monarchy. IOW, we ARE the authority and the US Constitution is IT

Acts 5:29 ring a bell? More history, more current: How Civil Disobedience Curbed The Mich. Governor’s Abuses Of Power (thefederalist.com)

bleat bleat

 

[AustinC]

so? Never said that the US abolished slavery before Britian did, but it took a bloody civil war in this country to do so - was the South violating Romans 13 when they tried to secede? History 101, you know.

Second, being under British rule was about being under rule by a tyrannical monarchy. Hey, it was a legal system!!! And the Founders didn't ignore Romans 13:



Was the American Revolution a violation of Romans 13:1-7? | GotQuestions.org

makes sense to me. History, we are Baptists thanks to the Reformation - another example of not blindly submitting to authority. This is a constitutional republic not a monarchy. IOW, we ARE the authority and the US Constitution is IT

Acts 5:29 ring a bell? More history, more current: How Civil Disobedience Curbed The Mich. Governor’s Abuses Of Power (thefederalist.com)

bleat bleat

The Apostle Paul was under the tyrannical reign of Nero, yet he, under the inspiration of God, wrote Romans 13. Was Paul someone you would mock as a sheep?

The South could have simply abolished slavery, rather than claim it had the right to mistreat and enslave humans. They didn't. God's judgment fell on the hard heart of an unrepentant nation that said they trust God.
What I note is the many attempts to distract away from personal responsibility to obey God while working hard to justify godless individualism.

 

[Walter]

I think the Japanese have been wearing masks for decades when they are sick, and they are much healthier as a nation than the US is. I think not wearing a mask because of fierce independence is more important to you than your neighbors well being goes directly against God's command to treat your neighbor as yourself.

Wearing a mask means you respect others enough to wear the mask to protect them. When someone does not wear a mask, I feel they are disrespecting me. It has nothing to do with freedoms or rights it’s just planning to respect one another.

What does it mean to love your neighbor? It means being willing to protect your neighbor from yourself, wearing a mask when it feels silly and inconvenient and uncomfortable. It means going the extra step because that’s what love demands.

 

[Revmitchell]

Wearing a mask means you respect others enough to wear the mask to protect them. When someone does not wear a mask, I feel they are disrespecting me. It has nothing to do with freedoms or rights it’s just planning to respect one another.

What does it mean to love your neighbor? It means being willing to protect your neighbor from yourself, wearing a mask when it feels silly and inconvenient and uncomfortable. It means going the extra step because that’s what love demands.

thats not what it means and no it doesnt protect others

 

[canadyjd]

Wearing a mask means you respect others enough to wear the mask to protect them. When someone does not wear a mask, I feel they are disrespecting me. It has nothing to do with freedoms or rights it’s just planning to respect one another.

What does it mean to love your neighbor? It means being willing to protect your neighbor from yourself, wearing a mask when it feels silly and inconvenient and uncomfortable. It means going the extra step because that’s what love demands.

If someone comes to your home, and you want them to wear a mask, fine.

But your unscientific insecurity concerning wearing masks stops at your front door.

This whole argument of “if you love your neighbor you would….” is a never ending requirement to placate every desire of the “weaker” person, no matter how unscientific or hurtful to yourself or family.

It is manipulation, plain and simple.

peace to you

 

[AustinC]

If someone comes to your home, and you want them to wear a mask, fine.

But your unscientific insecurity concerning wearing masks stops at your front door.

This whole argument of “if you love your neighbor you would….” is a never ending requirement to placate every desire of the “weaker” person, no matter how unscientific or hurtful to yourself or family.

It is manipulation, plain and simple.

peace to you

Does Paul give us exemptions in Romans 14?

 

[canadyjd]

Does Paul give us exemptions in Romans 14?

Well, if someone complains about meat sacrifices to idols, I’ll throw the meat away.

Please explain why Romans 14 doesn’t apply to the people trying to force mask mandates and vaccines on everyone?

If you really loved your neighbor, you wouldn’t force them to violate their conscience on these mandates.

See how easy that can be turned around?

Let everyone be convinced in their own minds, and then mind your own business and leave people alone.
And before you regurgitate liberal propaganda, the John Hopkins study shows the lockdowns did little to nothing to stop the disease and caused major harm, especially to our children.

How can you live with yourself knowing you supported policies that have caused great harm to the children? A whole generation of children that may never recover from the radical liberal leftest ideology that pushed mask mandates in schools while the liberal elites laughed it up at their unmasked parties, sickening!!

And now the appeal to scripture, “if you really loved your neighbor” and “what about Roman’s 14 and the weaker brother?”

Liberal Manipulation, plain and simple.

peace to you

 

[Aaron]

Wearing a mask means you respect others enough to wear the mask to protect them. When someone does not wear a mask, I feel they are disrespecting me. It has nothing to do with freedoms or rights it’s just planning to respect one another.

What does it mean to love your neighbor? It means being willing to protect your neighbor from yourself, wearing a mask when it feels silly and inconvenient and uncomfortable. It means going the extra step because that’s what love demands.

Love does not promote lies.

 

[777]

Romans 13 take from the left:

Partisans use Romans 13 to baptize their politics as being “ordained by God.” But Christians who reference Romans 13 typically do so using an us vs. government relationship. But unlike the first century when Roman rulers were mainly determined by heredity, lineage, or brute force, today we are the government. There is no us vs. them because we play an active role in how our government works and is run.

We the people vote, support, and help decide who our leaders will be. We can’t disassociate ourselves from being responsible for a government we directly influence, control, and put into power.

Suggesting that God put the government in place and President Trump should be exempt from any sort of religious criticism is usually a partisan ploy to excuse the words, actions, legislation, and executive orders that are often callous and cruel.

Misusing Romans 13 to Embrace Theocracy

and, for others, from the right:

The key to understanding is in the word "submit". Take a look at this. The Greek word hupo-tasso, which has been translated as “submit” or “be subject,” literally means to arrange stuff respectfully in an "orderly manner underneath".

This simple meaning of "social orderliness" would have been understood by original readers, but it is a little obscured in our English translation.

This word is used in Ephesians 5:22 to encourage husbands and wives to submit to one another, and it reflects God’s concern for order and respect.

Here’s the main point – Paul and Peter believed that governing authorities are necessary for keeping the peace. God is a God of order – not anarchy or chaos.

But here’s where we go wrong. There’s ANOTHER word, hupo-kouo, which is best translated as “obey,” which literally means to conform, to follow a command, or to kowtow to an authority as a subordinate.

Peter and Paul could have used this word, "obey," but they chose not to.

No, Romans 13 is not about obeying the governing authorities — Craig Greenfield

Canady actually understands Romans 13, but someone else thinks wearing a worthless mask is a sign of love and respect??? I will enclose myself in a sterile bubble then, if I'm feeling especially loving and respectful.

The masks are useless, they are on the way out. Paul wasn't a hypocrite, wanna see some real ones?

wait a minute, maybe Walter is onto something . . .