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Delta variant becoming Delta 4+, and the vaccines then enhance infections

Wingman68

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There is so much that we don’t know, because this has never been done before. Even scientists can’t know but scientists who have studied what they do know, as in this possibility, should make people not even be able to sleep at night, instead of pushing more unknown on the entire population. The stories on this site make you aware of many possibilities. Do we know how it will transpire? No. But to deny that it will is also foolhardy. Here is part of one article about possibilities that haven’t even been discussed here yet, there are many worthy reads on this site:


What comes next is truly chilling. Seneff cites research10 showing that sperm has this ability to take exogenous mRNA, either from a virus or an mRNA vaccine, and reverse transcribe it into DNA and then produce plasmids that contain this cloned DNA. The sperm then releases these plasmids around the egg, which takes them up.

The egg hangs on to those plasmids and puts the new code into the cells of the growing fetus. Hypothetically, a man having been vaccinated with a COVID-19 vaccine could produce a child born with the genetic code to make the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.

This is not a good thing, because this means the child will not have antibodies against the spike protein. Since it’s part of their genetic code, it registers as one of their own proteins and their body won’t produce antibodies against it. If that child is exposed to SARS-CoV-2, their immune system won’t react at all. What happens next is anyone’s guess, but it’s bound to be severely problematic in one way or another.

“Exactly how sick they’ll get or whether they’ll get sick at all, I don’t know,” Seneff says, “but their immune system won’t react and they’ll be able to carry that virus for their entire life and then pass [that genomic trait] on down to their children …

Now, if I don’t react to [the virus] and I let it grow, what happens? Do I get sick? To what extent is the illness [COVID-19] the consequence of the immune response, rather than the virus itself? We don’t know that, really, but many say the real problem is the overactive immune response.

People are dying of the immune response to COVID, they’re not dying from the virus. The virus is not killing them. It’s the immune response to the virus that’s killing them. So, if you don’t have an immune response, what happens? Nobody knows.”

Even if such a child were to be unaffected by the virus, we could be looking at a serious problem, as they could turn into lifelong super-spreaders and a chronic hazard to everyone around them. At least that’s what happened in cows.

Seneff recounts a story of herds plagued by a viral diarrhea. They finally realized that “killer calves” were the problem. Calves were being born that had viral protein integrated into their genome. When exposed to the virus, these calves, unable to clear the virus naturally, then spread it to the adult cows, which got sick.

“I don’t see why the same thing couldn’t happen with COVID — that a baby could be born who has this humanized version of that protein, catches the [wild] virus and then it spreads it to the adult population,” Seneff says.

Such children would be true super-spreaders, and the indoctrination we’re currently seeing, where children are told their mere presence could pose a mortal risk to the people they love, would then turn into grim reality. The calves in question were euthanized to safeguard the rest of the herds. How would we address human equivalents?

Hopefully, this nightmare scenario will not occur, but it appears biologically possible, and that is the problem. The fact that the available science allows for this kind of speculation is reason enough to put the brakes on this vaccination campaign. We have no clue what the long-term consequences are. We don’t even know what the short-term consequences are, other than more vaccinated people are dying, collectively, compared to unvaccinated ones.

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JonC

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Are you being an evil fool again and intentionally posting misinformation?
You profess to be a Christian yet you call a brother an "evil fool"???

There is NO room for such an accusation on a Christian forum....period.

You are allowing politics to trump your faith. Act in a manner worthy your calling, "reverend".
 

Revmitchell

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You profess to be a Christian yet you call a brother an "evil fool"???

There is NO room for such an accusation on a Christian forum....period.

You are allowing politics to trump your faith. Act in a manner worthy your calling, "reverend".

uh excuse me. My post was said in jest based on the things you, do you get that, you have called board members. He posted the type of thing that you have called those things. You are the one who calls people on this board such things. I fully expect that you will yet again call each of us those exact words you have already used against all of us because we dare disagree with you.

those are your words. You know it, I know it, and this board knows it.
 

JonC

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uh excuse me. My post was said in jest based on the things you, do you get that, you have called board members. He posted the type of thing that you have called those things. You are the one who calls people on this board such things. I fully expect that you will yet again call each of us those exact words you have already used against all of us because we dare disagree with you.

those are your words. You know it, I know it, and this board knows it.
I did say leave fools to their folly is a good principle...BUT I used myself as the fool (not another member).

I said of you believe MY posts are foolish then leave ME to MY folly.

And it was advice to another member that he would not go too far - members can read and decide for themselves who is presenting foolish evidence.

You, on the other hand, called a member an "evil fool".
 

Revmitchell

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I did say leave fools to their folly is a good principle...BUT I used myself as the fool (not another member).

I said of you believe MY posts are foolish then leave ME to MY folly.

And it was advice to another member that he would not go too far - members can read and decide for themselves who is presenting foolish evidence.

You, on the other hand, called a member an "evil fool".

actually I did not. I asked , in jest, if he was being one based on your accusations of board members. You also called me evil. I was using your words based on your past accusations of board members. Trust me people are getting fed up with your accusations.

so I have established I did not call a board member those things you did. Further I asked a question. Apparently you can’t tell the difference between a question and an accusation.

shame on you
 

JonC

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actually I did not. I asked , in jest, if he was being one based on your accusations of board members. You also called me evil. I was using your words based on your past accusations of board members. Trust me people are getting fed up with your accusations.

so I have established I did not call a board member those things you did. Further I asked a question. Apparently you can’t tell the difference between a question and an accusation.

shame on you
I do not think calling another 0erson an "evil fool" is appropriate even in jest.

What makes it worse is you turn around and falsely accuse me of calling a member an evil fool.

And you continue to make false accusations- that I called you evil. I don't even know you.

You toss out these false accusations like they were nothing. Do you ever even give them a second thought, "reverend"?

I believe you to be a Christian but you are posting as if you never encountered Christ Jesus. Shame on you.

If you want to be a politician then be a politician. But this is a Christian board.
 

Revmitchell

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I do not think calling another 0erson an "evil fool" is appropriate even in jest.

What makes it worse is you turn around and falsely accuse me of calling a member an evil fool.

And you continue to make false accusations- that I called you evil. I don't even know you.

You toss out these false accusations like they were nothing. Do you ever even give them a second thought, "reverend"?

well again I didn’t call anyone anything. As usual you are twisting my words. I asked a question. You did call me evil. Shortly after i reported it it disappeared.

you have called everyone who disagrees with you on the vax fools. It wasn’t just in reference to you. And by your own admission you post things to see if it will provoke their emotions (“to see if they will troll me”)

you have just run someone off. I get messages after you call me things. Everyone sees it but more importantly God is watching.
 

JonC

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well again I didn’t call anyone anything. As usual you are twisting my words. I asked a question. You did call me evil. Shortly after i reported it it disappeared.

you have called everyone who disagrees with you on the vax fools. It wasn’t just in reference to you.
Another false statement. You said that I called other fools and I called you evil.

What I have said is the choice to get a vaccination is a personal decision- there are good reasons to be vaccinated and good reasons not to be vaccinated.

Yet you, claiming (I believe...or hope...falsely) to have at one time been a minister, yet your posts are continually false accusations.

Why can't you just argue points? Why do you have to post falsely about what other people say?
 

JonC

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Time will tell whether the vaccine will continue to help. Time will tell what will happen with covid.

The dishonesty in some of these obstacles, the false accusations, needs to stop.

I am neither pro or anti-covid-vax. I do believe employers should make decisions about the safety of their companies and I do believe at the present time data indicates the vaccine works as expected. But I have both pro and anti friend - that is their decision, not mine. Two are on ventilators because of their decision, so I personally do not buy the covid is a hoax thing.

But posting false accusations about me (or any other member) because how we interpret what we see is different from your conclusions is wrong and needs to stop.

This is a Christian forum. Christians are responsible for their posts and should not be posting accusations they know are false simply because they feel it boosts their side of an argument.
 

Wingman68

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Time will tell whether the vaccine will continue to help. Time will tell what will happen with covid.

The dishonesty in some of these obstacles, the false accusations, needs to stop.

I am neither pro or anti-covid-vax. I do believe employers should make decisions about the safety of their companies and I do believe at the present time data indicates the vaccine works as expected. But I have both pro and anti friend - that is their decision, not mine. Two are on ventilators because of their decision, so I personally do not buy the covid is a hoax thing.

But posting false accusations about me (or any other member) because how we interpret what we see is different from your conclusions is wrong and needs to stop.

This is a Christian forum. Christians are responsible for their posts and should not be posting accusations they know are false simply because they feel it boosts their side of an argument.
You must be talking to yourself here. Good. Somebody has to do it.
 

JonC

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You must be talking to yourself here. Good. Somebody has to do it.
Partly.

I have opinions about the vaccine and about the virus. Time will tell whether my opinion were right or wrong.

But not about posting false accusations of other members. Unlike some, I value integrity over my opinions.

That is why, as you read my posts, you are unable to point to specific false accusations in those posts.

Now, if we were to talk about insulting other members you would have a point. I can become insulting and am very sarcastic.

What I was thinking of specifically were the false accusations that I called members evil or fools. But that is just an example of how Christians behave unChrist-like.

Insults are another example, and I am guilty there. I need to work on that.

I guess you could say sarcasm is the splinter in my eye as I complain about the log of posting falsely in @Revmitchell 's eye.
 

Revmitchell

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Another false statement. You said that I called other fools and I called you evil.

What I have said is the choice to get a vaccination is a personal decision- there are good reasons to be vaccinated and good reasons not to be vaccinated.

Yet you, claiming (I believe...or hope...falsely) to have at one time been a minister, yet your posts are continually false accusations.

Why can't you just argue points? Why do you have to post falsely about what other people say?


Vaccinations no help against Covid?

called everyone fools who does not see it your way knowing there are board members who are in that group.


In the thread “ vaccines no help against covid” post #117 you said Rippon was being dishonest because he didn’t agree with you.

in that same thread dad2 called you out for misrepresenting what he posted on more than one occasion.

I’m saying you have done that to me as well to include saying I called anyone evil or fool.

There is another posts where you did say exactly as you said. But it was not the only time you called someone fool in that post.

over and over again people have pointed out that you have twisted their words. Every time you play victim. You are welcome to keep doing all of that. God is watching
 

JonC

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Vaccinations no help against Covid?

called everyone fools who does not see it your way knowing there are board members who are in that group.


In the thread “ vaccines no help against covid” post #117 you said Rippon was being dishonest because he didn’t agree with you.

in that same thread dad2 called you out for misrepresenting what he posted on more than one occasion.

I’m saying you have done that to me as well to include saying I called anyone evil or fool.

There is another posts where you did say exactly as you said. But it was not the only time you called someone fool in that post.

over and over again people have pointed out that you have twisted their words. Every time you play victim. You are welcome to keep doing all of that. God is watching
I do believe it is foolish to say I'd someone dies of covid but has been vaccinated then the vaccine is fake.

The vaccine was never presented as 100% effective (no vacvine is 100% effective). So to use that as a criteria is extraordinary foolish (it is what fools believe).

I stand by that statement.

But that is not calling any person a fool or evil.

It certainly is not calling you a fool (I do not believe you think all vaccines are myths because they are not 100% effective....even if you were to post that is your belief).

But it is true that to argue a vaccine that is not 100% effective is no vaccine at all is an argument of fools. That is not calling people fools.

But, I guess, if the shoe fits, wear it. :Thumbsup

And while you are at it - wear this -

I did not say Rippon was dishonest in pist 117.

You are again posting a false accusation. Why?

This is what I said:

Do you not see how it is very dishonest to claim the COVID death rate in the US (.017) is inflated for not excluding the elderly and pre-existing conditions yet deny the post-vacvine death rate in the US (.001) should not exclude the elderly and pre-existing conditions???
Members can hit the arrow to see the entire conversation.

In fact....in post #29 Dad calls the pro-covid-vaxers "evil".
 

Revmitchell

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I do believe it is foolish to say I'd someone dies of covid but has been vaccinated then the vaccine is fake.

The vaccine was never presented as 100% effective (no vacvine is 100% effective). So to use that as a criteria is extraordinary foolish (it is what fools believe).

I stand by that statement.

But that is not calling any person a fool or evil.

It certainly is not calling you a fool (I do not believe you think all vaccines are myths because they are not 100% effective....even if you were to post that is your belief).

But it is true that to argue a vaccine that is not 100% effective is no vaccine at all is an argument of fools. That is not calling people fools.

But, I guess, if the shoe fits, wear it. :Thumbsup

nope twisting your own words to fit your predestined outcome. You said “ argument of fools” what you did not say was argument is foolish. You called people who disagree with you fools. And now you have done it again. Even if they had said it like your twisted attempt ( and they didn’t) you still call board members fools.

just like you admitted to posting in order to incite negative emotions against your post you have now admitted to calling board members fools.
 

JonC

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nope twisting your own words to fit your predestined outcome. You said “ argument of fools” what you did not say was argument is foolish. You called people who disagree with you fools. And now you have done it again. Even if they had said it like your twisted attempt ( and they didn’t) you still call board members fools.

just like you admitted to posting in order to incite negative emotions against your post you have now admitted to calling board members fools.
I just said those who argue a vaccine has to be 100% effective to be a vaccine are fools. No vaccine is 100% effective. Most don't even provide sterilising immunity!

But I did not call members fools. If the shoe fits then they can wear it and be offended.

You talk about vaccines, that they should not be manditory. Then you say I was calling you a fool for thinking there are no vacvines? Your logic is broken.

That is no excuse for you to post false accusations about another Christian!
 
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