Democrat Senator: Let’s Pass “Medicare for All” and Force Americans to Fund Abortions

[Revmitchell]

Democrat Senator: Let's Pass “Medicare for All” and Force Americans to Fund Abortions | LifeNews.com

I don't know what they think will happen if this were to occur but it is likely to start a civil war. People will not just accept a single payer system nor the funding of abortion. It very well may start a civil war.

 

[church mouse guy]

The Democrats are out of ideas and are trying to sell socialism/communism. Although to be fair, I don't think that Bernie Sanders is technically a Democrat but an independent with a base of naïve college students. The tax burden for socialized medicine is prohibitive worldwide and Europe and Canada show just how horrible socialized medicine is. In England, it has been shown that the government owns you and decides what kind of care you will get and will not get. There people die of thirst because the government cannot afford to see that they get a drink of water. In the 1930s, Germans deliberately put to death the mentally ill as a cost-cutting measure--something that Sanders probably supports. In Iceland, a child with Downs Syndrome is not allowed to be born. Mexican hospitals are so terrible that in my day it was said that people only went to Mexican hospitals to die.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

In England, it has been shown that the government owns you and decides what kind of care you will get and will not get. There people die of thirst because the government cannot afford to see that they get a drink of water.

This is simply not the case, though I know some Americans like to think it is. Eighteen months back my wife became dangerously ill and I can't speak highly enough of the care she received. She made a full recovery.
Whatever system you adopt in the USA--Obamacare, Trumpcare or any other care-- it will be horrifically expensive because healthcare is horrifically expensive. End of story

 

[church mouse guy]

This is simply not the case, though I know some Americans like to think it is. Eighteen months back my wife became dangerously ill and I can't speak highly enough of the care she received. She made a full recovery.
Whatever system you adopt in the USA--Obamacare, Trumpcare or any other care-- it will be horrifically expensive because healthcare is horrifically expensive. End of story

Yes, we just saw the case of the parents who had no control over their child's healthcare in England and the only logical conclusion is that the government owns you. We also just saw the request for more funds. And we have heard of the very long wait times, as in all socialized systems. The best solution is free market because it is cheaper.

Here is what the Republican Party says about the English system and other socialistic schemes:

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Yes, we just saw the case of the parents who had no control over their child's healthcare in England and the only logical conclusion is that the government owns you. We also just saw the request for more funds. And we have heard of the very long wait times, as in all socialized systems. The best solution is free market because it is cheaper.

Here is what the Republican Party says about the English system and other socialistic schemes:

1. The ruling over that child came not from the Gov't but from the courts, in the same way that U.S. rulings on abortion and same-sex marriage came from the Supreme Court.
2. As I say, healthcare is horrifically expensive whichever way you try to do it. You are right that that UK Gov't tries to keep the costs down, and rightly so, but that video clip is a caricature. Problems in the UK are because of the rising numbers of elderly people and to keep the whole thing affordable there has to be a ruthless efficiency drive. However, for the vast majority of British people the NHS works very well and any political party that proposed scrapping it would be committing suicide.

If there were no problems in US healthcare and never any failings, medical insurance for doctors wouldn't be sky-high.

 

[church mouse guy]

1. The ruling over that child came not from the Gov't but from the courts, in the same way that U.S. rulings on abortion and same-sex marriage came from the Supreme Court.
2. As I say, healthcare is horrifically expensive whichever way you try to do it. You are right that that UK Gov't tries to keep the costs down, and rightly so, but that video clip is a caricature. Problems in the UK are because of the rising numbers of elderly people and to keep the whole thing affordable there has to be a ruthless efficiency drive. However, for the vast majority of British people the NHS works very well and any political party that proposed scrapping it would be committing suicide.

If there were no problems in US healthcare and never any failings, medical insurance for doctors wouldn't be sky-high.

The Democrats caused the problems in our system with their attempt to socialize medicine to make it like England's disaster. You would be surprised how many want to be like Canada in spite of the fact that Canadians flock to the USA for medical treatment if they have any money. Over a million Canadians cannot find a family doctor because socialized medicine creates doctor shortages as well as low-paid doctors.

The English Prime Minister declined to intervene on behalf of the parents, who sought better medical care for their child but were denied custodial rights under established British law. Under socialized medicine, the government owns you. If they don't care to give you a glass of water, you die of thirst. If you are too old, they may not treat you. Nowhere in the world is socialized medicine prosperous. If England declines under the weight of the immigrant wave, there will be fewer and fewer medical services available and English medical care will be more than one step down.

We pay our doctors and nurses well because we admire them. Our medicine is a little higher because we allow our pharmaceutical companies to do research and development. Contrary to what the Democrats said, no one in America was denied quality healthcare but some had their medicine paid for by welfare agencies and thus were considered without insurance, as if one needed an insurance agent to see a doctor. People who suffered lifelong medical needs and who were poor were given federal Medicaid. Veterans have been placed under the socialized Veterans Administration when they should be given private insurance so that they can go to their own doctors and hospitals and pharmacies. People of retirement age are given socialized Medicare insurance, a program that has been insolvent since LBJ began it. So much of what is wrong with our systems is our rapacious legal profession allied with the Democrats every election and the heavy-handed, weak-minded government programs.

 

[Reynolds]

Democrat Senator: Let's Pass “Medicare for All” and Force Americans to Fund Abortions | LifeNews.com

I don't know what they think will happen if this were to occur but it is likely to start a civil war. People will not just accept a single payer system nor the funding of abortion. It very well may start a civil war.

I oppose the abortion funding. With that exception, I kind of like Medicare for all.

 

[Adonia]

I oppose the abortion funding. With that exception, I kind of like Medicare for all.

What do you like about it? In countries with single payer there are long waiting times and rationed care (for the people anyway).

The elite socialists like Bernie will never have to stand on line or be denied any life prolonging treatment no matter what age they might be. Socialism is for the people, not the socialists.

 

[Reynolds]

I have some Canadian friends that are very happy with their healthcare system.

What do you like about it? In countries with single payer there are long waiting times and rationed care (for the people anyway).

The elite socialists like Bernie will never have to stand on line or be denied any life prolonging treatment no matter what age they might be. Socialism is for the people, not the socialists.

 

[church mouse guy]

I have some Canadian friends that are very happy with their healthcare system.

Your friends are probably Fabian socialists. A million Canadians cannot find a family doctor. Many, many Canadians come to the USA for treatment because of the long waiting periods in Canada even for routine things from the American viewpoint. No one ever left the USA for medicine in Canada. All socialized medicine ends in squalor--look at Britain where they admit patients have dehydrated in their hospitals.

Eternal Vigilance is the Price of Liberty

 

[Reynolds]

Your friends are probably Fabian socialists. A million Canadians cannot find a family doctor. Many, many Canadians come to the USA for treatment because of the long waiting periods in Canada even for routine things from the American viewpoint. No one ever left the USA for medicine in Canada. All socialized medicine ends in squalor--look at Britain where they admit patients have dehydrated in their hospitals.

Eternal Vigilance is the Price of Liberty

One of my friends got hurt skiing in Aspen. He went back to Canada for surgery.

 

[church mouse guy]

One of my friends got hurt skiing in Aspen. He went back to Canada for surgery.

Why did he do that?

 

[liafailrock]

My two cents on medical care for all: There's a big debate on how to fund medical costs. Government or private? By yourself or employers? etc etc. We all missed one point. What we are all debating on the best way to feed a hungry, erroneous beast. The problem is not the funding. It's the medical doctrine. Frankly, I'm almost 60 years old and can care less what my blood work says-- haven't had anything checked for years. It's just one more point for the medical beast to prescribe drugs that we all "need". Most medical costs are on "preventative drugs" cholesterol, high BP, diabetes and other nonsense and what I call "numbers malady illnesses" which indeed are not illnesses and oftentimes nothing to worry about. Then.... the other costs are many, many tests, and of course half of the costs on unnecessary surgery. Only about 10% (if that) are real needed medical situations. Folks, you are NOT as sick as they tell you, so wake up. These *bleeps* are milking the insurance industry. Trust Christ, not man. You don't "need" that medication if you feel fine.

 

[Reynolds]

Why did he do that?

Free.

 

[Reynolds]

My two cents on medical care for all: There's a big debate on how to fund medical costs. Government or private? By yourself or employers? etc etc. We all missed one point. What we are all debating on the best way to feed a hungry, erroneous beast. The problem is not the funding. It's the medical doctrine. Frankly, I'm almost 60 years old and can care less what my blood work says-- haven't had anything checked for years. It's just one more point for the medical beast to prescribe drugs that we all "need". Most medical costs are on "preventative drugs" cholesterol, high BP, diabetes and other nonsense and what I call "numbers malady illnesses" which indeed are not illnesses and oftentimes nothing to worry about. Then.... the other costs are many, many tests, and of course half of the costs on unnecessary surgery. Only about 10% (if that) are real needed medical situations. Folks, you are NOT as sick as they tell you, so wake up. These *bleeps* are milking the insurance industry. Trust Christ, not man. You don't "need" that medication if you feel fine.

Yes. Doctors love to prescribe medicine to keep patients coming back. My health is 1000x better since I quit taking all the crap they had me on. Three blood pressure medicines, an arthritis medicine, a pain killer, and two steroids. I now take NOTHING and am healthier.

 

[Adonia]

I have some Canadian friends that are very happy with their healthcare system.

And i have relatives in Canada who are not. My Aunt needed knee replacement and wad told the wait time was over a year. Luckily she had money so she came here to have it done. The wait times on MRI's and other such diagnostic procedures are. month's, not weeks. While their system is good for emergencies, anything else takes time.

The fact is, people with money either come here or go to private institutions up there. Rich people and politicians simply do not wait on line for treatment like the rest of us cattle.

 

[Adonia]

Free.

Nothing is free. The Canadian worker is taxed heavily for that "free" healthcare (please believe me on this as i have seen my cousin's pay stubbs). Here in America both California and Vermont both stopped thinking about enacting a universal system because of the exhorbitant cost - that ought to tell you something.

 

[Adonia]

Your friends are probably Fabian socialists. A million Canadians cannot find a family doctor. Many, many Canadians come to the USA for treatment because of the long waiting periods in Canada even for routine things from the American viewpoint. No one ever left the USA for medicine in Canada. All socialized medicine ends in squalor--look at Britain where they admit patients have dehydrated in their hospitals.

Eternal Vigilance is the Price of Liberty

Exactly! Brits cannot get the latest cancer treatments and there are cutoff ages for elderly folks. Our system is not perfect, but here in America we can go to the same places for care that the rich and powerful from all over the world go to.

For example, my father went to the Wilmer Eye Institute at Johns Hopkins in Baltimore where foreign diplomats and leaders also got treatment and my wife had back surgery some years back at the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota. She recently had an MRI within 2 weeks of her doctors request. You can say goodbye to such things happening with a single payer system - unless of course your name is Bernie Sanders.

 

[Reynolds]

Nothing is free. The Canadian worker is taxed heavily for that "free" healthcare. Here in America both California and Vermont both stopped thinking about enacting a universal system because of the exhorbitant cost - that ought to tell you something.

Funny thing is that my Canadian friend and I sat down one time and looked at our tax rates. All taxes, federal through local. Income and Consumption. He paid slightly more than me. I do not buy insurance, but if I did have to pay for it, the bill on the open market would be $1700 per month. Then add high deductible pay out for use. Guess what? Adding insurance premiums to taxes, He then pays far less than I do.

 

[Revmitchell]

I oppose the abortion funding. With that exception, I kind of like Medicare for all.

Un-american