• Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Democrats next step against Trump, censure under 14th amendment

Scott Downey

Well-Known Member
Dems Lost Impeachment Round Two, But They Have One More Dirty Trick Up Their Sleeves

It seems some democrats think a simple majority is all that is needed, but it is again a 2/3 majority vote.
Democrats are convinced trump will be reelected if thy cant stop him.

“D.C. Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton called Saturday for colleagues in Congress to censure former President Trump, saying it is the only way to keep him out of office after his latest acquittal.
 

Wingman68

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Dems Lost Impeachment Round Two, But They Have One More Dirty Trick Up Their Sleeves

It seems some democrats think a simple majority is all that is needed, but it is again a 2/3 majority vote.
Democrats are convinced trump will be reelected if thy cant stop him.

“D.C. Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton called Saturday for colleagues in Congress to censure former President Trump, saying it is the only way to keep him out of office after his latest acquittal.
Good to know, thanks. I thought it was simple majority which would mean a done deal. That would deflate any hopes that the people have to save the country from the socialist grip. Think of all that we have given in the fight for freedom, & the leftists, who are rarely on the front lines btw, can’t wait to subjugate us, for our own good of course. They want to be the elite rulers in their perfect world. They don’t realize how few ‘elites’ are necessary in that situation. Useful idiots.
 

just-want-peace

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Good to know, thanks. I thought it was simple majority which would mean a done deal. That would deflate any hopes that the people have to save the country from the socialist grip. Think of all that we have given in the fight for freedom, & the leftists, who are rarely on the front lines btw, can’t wait to subjugate us, for our own good of course. They want to be the elite rulers in their perfect world. They don’t realize how few ‘elites’ are necessary in that situation. Useful idiots.

Yup, the VAST majority will be absolutely shocked when they suddenly become no more than us “deplorables”!
 

Scott Downey

Well-Known Member
Dems Lost Impeachment Round Two, But They Have One More Dirty Trick Up Their Sleeves

It seems some democrats think a simple majority is all that is needed, but it is again a 2/3 majority vote.
Democrats are convinced trump will be reelected if thy cant stop him.

“D.C. Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton called Saturday for colleagues in Congress to censure former President Trump, saying it is the only way to keep him out of office after his latest acquittal.

well, the language says for censure to prevent future office holding this here.

That section reads: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”

Since he was already acquitted of those charges, how can they then also charge him again with the same ones?
 

Scott Downey

Well-Known Member
Pelosi not interested in censure, tells reporters "We don’t censure people for inciting insurrection that kills people in the Capitol" | News Thud

Even Pelosi says not interested in censuring Trump, says censure reserved for minor infractions of rules only.
And she said that after Trump found not guilty. Still dont get how they can try to censure on same charges he is found not guilty on... but these people make no sense.

Before the senate trial, the timeline by democrats was conviction in senate, only THEN censure under that 14th amendment to prevent future office holding.

So the conviction requires the 2/3 majority, then it is a majority vote to do the censure, those 2 are supposed to go together.
 

Scott Downey

Well-Known Member
the 14th amendment was written against former enemies of the US, who had held public office, such as fought against the union in the civil war, and it was passed in 1868.
And the supreme court overturned the only time it was ever used against an elected representative since reconstruction. If Trump was declared not guilty of the charges, a censure wont hold up in court. Censure just does not fit this situation. Trump was not a confederate office holder.

Section Three of the amendment, gave Congress the authority to bar public officials, who took an oath of allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, from holding office if they "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" against the Constitution. The intent was to prevent the president from allowing former leaders of the Confederacy to regain power within the U.S. government after securing a presidential pardon. It states that a two-thirds majority vote in Congress is required to allow public officials who had engaged in rebellion to regain the rights of American citizenship and hold government or military office.

It states that: "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

Section 3: Disqualification

Section 3 disqualifies from federal or state office[214] anyone who has taken an oath to support the Constitution[215][216] and either "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" against the Constitution,[217] or "given aid to the enemies" of the US.[218] Although the section's text does not explicitly describe how it is invoked, by congressional precedent, disqualification is invoked by a simple majority of both chambers, and can be removed by a supermajority of both chambers.[217][218]

The intent of Section 3 was to prohibit civil or military Confederate officers from holding public office.[215][217][218] Within months of losing the Civil War, Southern states sent "unrepentant" former Confederates "used to exercising power" back to Congress, such as former vice president of the Confederacy Alexander H. Stephens. Members of Congress refused to seat them and drafted Section 3 in order to prevent those who violated their oath to protect the Constitution from holding office in the future.[216] Southerners strongly opposed Section 3, arguing it would hurt reunification of the country.[215]

Section 3 has only been used a few times in history.[216] The disqualification was seldom enforced in the South.[215][216] In 1872, at the urging of President Ulysses S. Grant, Congress passed the Amnesty Act, removing the disqualification for all but the most senior Confederates.[215][216][218] In 1898, during the Spanish–American War, Congress passed another law broadening the amnesty[218][219][220] as a "gesture of national unity".[215] The Reconstruction era waiver does not bar Section 3 from being used today.[215][218] In a symbolic effort in the 1970s, Congress posthumously lifted the disqualification for Confederate general Robert E. Lee in 1975,[221] and Confederate president Jefferson Davis in 1978.[214][215][222]

Section 3 has only been invoked once since Reconstruction, when it was used to prevent Socialist Party of America member Victor L. Berger of Wisconsin, convicted of violating the Espionage Act for opposing US entry into World War I, from assuming his seat in the House of Representatives in 1919 and 1920.[215][217][223] However, his conviction was overturned by the Supreme Court in Berger v. United States (1921). Berger was then elected and seated to three successive terms in the 1920s.[224]

During the second impeachment of Donald Trump, Section 3 was cited in the Article of Impeachment as part of the basis for barring Trump from holding future office.[225][226] It is disputed whether Section 3 can be used as a potential "alternate path to disqualification [from office]" now that the Senate has acquitted Trump.[215][217][227]
 
Top