Demonic strongholds

[Iconoclast]

Yes! This is where some of this comes from! Love to listen to Ron Phillips! Have you read any of his books?
Our teacher at church taught us out of Ron's book. I did not know it was on internet...well then everyone can read from there and save me from typing from my Sunday school notes...

Busted...good catch jerome...I hope you are not talking about this false teaching Clown:sleeping_2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0qq8jqKwa0&feature=relmfu

 

[awaken]

When a brother is going astray...do we criticize ? What spirit does this fall under?

 

[Iconoclast]

When a brother is going astray...do we criticize ? What spirit does this fall under?

Tell me this is not the guy you were talking about????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpTU1BZxY-8&feature=related

This man is not my brother.

 

[awaken]

Tell me this is not the guy you were talking about????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpTU1BZxY-8&feature=related

This man is not my brother.

Now you can see peoples hearts? I thought the fruits that we judge by is...LOVE, Joy, peace, long suffering..etc..

 

[Revmitchell]

Now you can see peoples hearts? I thought the fruits that we judge by is...LOVE, Joy, peace, long suffering..etc..

Mat 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

 

[awaken]

Mat 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

This is a southern baptist preacher that is now charismatic ...and that makes him a wolf?

 

[OldRegular]

Again! I do not know what word of faith is!! I believe the Word and I have faith in what it says...and I act on that faith!

Before anyone gets caught up in the "word-faith" heresy taught by Hagin, Kenyon, Copeland, Hinn, Crouch, Capps, Savelle, Hagin, Avanzini, Price and others of similar stripe they should read "Charismatic Chaos" by John MacArthur, "Christianity in Crisis" by Hank Hanegraaff, and Appendis B of the most recent version of "The Kingdom of the Cults" by Walter Martin.

The Heresy of Word-Faith

One of the most dominant heresies of today is the ‘so-called’ Word of Faith movement. The heretical teachings of this Word of Faith Movement, which are summarized in the following paragraphs, demonstrate the importance of adhering to the truth [From the Kingdom of the Cults, revised, page 497]. Also presented are Scripture which refute this heretical teaching.

1] God is a being who stands approximately six feet tall, weighs some two hundred pounds, and looks exactly like a man.

John 4:24, KJV
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

2] Faith is the literal substance that God used to create the universe, and He transported that faith with His words. Here, essentially, is what God did. God filled His words with faith. He used His words as containers to hold His faith and contain that spiritual force and transport it out there into the vast darkness by saying, ‘light, be’! That's the way God transported His faith causing creation and transformation. The way that He created the world was that, first of all, he conceived something on the inside of Him. He conceived, He had an image, He had a picture.

Psalms 33:6, KJV
6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Revelation 4:11, KJV
11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

3] All things, including God, are subject to this ‘force of faith’ beause it works according to spiritual ‘laws’ of the universe. There are laws of the world of the spirit.... The spiritual world and its laws are more powerful than the physical world .... The world and the physical forces governing it were created by the power of faith--a spiritual force. ..... It is this force of faith which makes the laws of the spirit world function. The force of faith is released by words. Faith-filled words put the law of the Spirit of life into operation.

Psalms 135:6, KJV
6 Whatsoever the LORD pleased, that did he in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places.

4] The greatest thing God conceived of and created was an exact duplicate of himself. This duplicate god--named Adam-was God manifested in the flesh.

Isaiah 43:10-13, KJV
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.
13 Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?

5] God eventually went to Adam, who was anatomically male and female, and separated the female part from the male part to make a womb-man (woman). Adam named this ‘man with a womb’ Eve. She, like Adam, was a god.

Genesis 2:21-23, KJV
21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

6] The Fall caused Adam and Eve's divine natures to be replaced with Satan’s nature. They also lost their rights of rulership to planet earth. Even God was barred from having full access to earth because Adam and Eve were under His lordship when they ‘fell’. Through their disobedience Satan became the god of this world.

Psalms 24:1, KJV
1 The earth is the LORD’S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

Psalms 135:6, KJV
6 Whatsoever the LORD pleased, that did he in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places.

7] God formulated a scheme to take back the earth, but in order to execute His plan He had to find a human who would invite Him (give Him permission) to work within the earthly realm. Finally, God got to a point where He had His plan ready for operation. And He saw a man named Abraham. In return for allowing God to bring the Messiah through his lineage, Abraham received unlimited health and wealth.

Genesis 12:1, 4, KJV
1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

8] For centuries God visualized Jesus. Then, when it was finally time for the Messiah to come forth, God spoke him into existence through faith in the same way that He had visualized and spoken into existence everything else. Bringing forth Jesus, however, was also dependent upon whether or not Mary would lend her faith to help form the body of the Lord out of the literal ‘Word’ (confession).

Luke 1:26-31, 34, 25, KJV
26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary.
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

9] While on earth Jesus was wealthy. He lived in a big house, had a great deal of money, and wore the finest clothes.

Luke 9:58, KJV
58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

10] Although Jesus declared that he walked with God and that God was in Him, he never actually claimed to be God. In fact, during his three years of public ministry Jesus did not stand in a class by himself.... He was ministering on earth as a human being -- a prophet anointed with the Holy Spirit. Jesus remained sinless so He could redeem men from their Satanic natures.

John 10:30, KJV
30 I and my Father are one.

John 5:17,18, KJV
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

These statements show how the Word of Faith teachers have corrupted the truth contained in the Word of God into a damnable heresy straight out of the pits of Satan’s hell. I cannot say that all those caught up in the Word of Faith movement are unsaved but thay are surely following heretical teachings.

Continued next post!

 

[Revmitchell]

This is a southern baptist preacher that is now chrismatic...and that makes him a wolf?

I said nothing of the sort. You need to compartmentalize my directly addressing your statement from the guy you were talking about.

Having said that what you suggested about this preacher is entirely possible.

 

[OldRegular]

Again! I do not know what word of faith is!! I believe the Word and I have faith in what it says...and I act on that faith!

Continued from previous post.

Before anyone gets caught up in the "word-faith" heresy taught by Hagin, Kenyon, Copeland, Hinn, Crouch, Capps, Savelle, Hagin, Avanzini, Price and others of similar stripe they should read "Charismatic Chaos" by John MacArthur, "Christianity in Crisis" by Hank Hanegraaff, and Appendis B of the most recent version of "The Kingdom of the Cults" by Walter Martin.

11] In order to redeem humanity, Jesus had to die spiritually as well as physically. When He died spiritually, he died in the same way that Adam died. In other words, He lost His divine nature and was given the nature of Satan. Jesus’ death on the cross and His shed blood did not atone for our sins. The atonement took place in hell through the devil's torturing of Jesus’ spirit for three days and three nights. Unfortunately for Satan, Jesus was taken to hell ‘illegally’ because He had never sinned. This ‘technicality’ enabled God to use His ‘force of faith’ to revive Jesus’ spirit, restore Jesus’ divine nature, and resurrect Jesus’ body. Through the resurrection process Jesus was ‘born again’.

1 Peter 2:25, KJV
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Matthew 26:28, KJV
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Hebrews 9:14, KJV
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Colossians 1:19,20, KJV
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

John 10:17,18, KJV
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

12] When a person is born again they experience exactly what happened to Jesus. Their satanic nature is replaced by God’s divine nature. The transformation is so identical to Jesus’ transformation that Christians become little gods (small “g”) and are as much an incarnation of God as was Jesus.

1 Corinthians 8:6, KJV
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Ephesians 1:22, KJV
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

13] Because Christians are ‘little gods’, they now have access to the ‘God- kind of faith’, which can be used to get virtually anything they want. Christians, rather than God, have authority in the earth over Satan and sickness and disease. Consequently, believers should never pray God’s will be done.

James 4:15, KJV
15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.

14] To obtain specific desires, Christians must do three things: (1) loose the power of the “force of faith” by speaking or positively confessing whatever is wanted (e.g., ‘I am healed’, ‘I am not sick’, etc.); (2) believe that whatever has been confessed will definitely be received; and (3) ignore or look beyond the visible reality (i.e, remaining sickness, low finances, etc.) and continue claiming what has been confessed.

James 4:3, KJV
3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

James 4:12-15, KJV
12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
13 Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:
14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.
15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.

15] Everything bad, including poverty and sickness, comes from Satan. God’s people should have a completely blessed life. A Christian not experiencing such a life is either: (1) in sin; or (2) lacking enough faith to bring about what is desired.

John 15:20, KJV
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

John 16:33, KJV
33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

2 Timothy 3:12, KJV
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

16] The power of audible confession is so great that sometimes a person can unknowingly bring tragedy upon themselves by making negative confessions. For example, a woman who is mugged may have actually caused that mugging if at any time prior to the experience she made comments like, ‘I live in such a dangerous part of the city that I'm afraid I’ll be mugged’. The woman should have been saying, ‘I will not be mugged’. Similarly, someone who jokingly says ‘I feel like I'm going crazy’ may actually become insane.

These statements show how the Word of Faith teachers have corrupted the truth contained in the Word of God into a damnable heresy straight out of the pits of Satan’s hell. I cannot say that all those caught up in the Word of Faith movement are unsaved but thay are surely following heretical teachings.

 

[awaken]

Continued from previous post.

Before anyone gets caught up in the "word-faith" heresy taught by Hagin, Kenyon, Copeland, Hinn, Crouch, Capps, Savelle, Hagin, Avanzini, Price and others of similar stripe they should read "Charismatic Chaos" by John MacArthur, "Christianity in Crisis" by Hank Hanegraaff, and Appendis B of the most recent version of "The Kingdom of the Cults" by Walter Martin.

11] In order to redeem humanity, Jesus had to die spiritually as well as physically. When He died spiritually, he died in the same way that Adam died. In other words, He lost His divine nature and was given the nature of Satan. Jesus’ death on the cross and His shed blood did not atone for our sins. The atonement took place in hell through the devil's torturing of Jesus’ spirit for three days and three nights. Unfortunately for Satan, Jesus was taken to hell ‘illegally’ because He had never sinned. This ‘technicality’ enabled God to use His ‘force of faith’ to revive Jesus’ spirit, restore Jesus’ divine nature, and resurrect Jesus’ body. Through the resurrection process Jesus was ‘born again’.

1 Peter 2:25, KJV
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Matthew 26:28, KJV
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Hebrews 9:14, KJV
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Colossians 1:19,20, KJV
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

John 10:17,18, KJV
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

12] When a person is born again they experience exactly what happened to Jesus. Their satanic nature is replaced by God’s divine nature. The transformation is so identical to Jesus’ transformation that Christians become little gods (small “g”) and are as much an incarnation of God as was Jesus.

1 Corinthians 8:6, KJV
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Ephesians 1:22, KJV
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

13] Because Christians are ‘little gods’, they now have access to the ‘God- kind of faith’, which can be used to get virtually anything they want. Christians, rather than God, have authority in the earth over Satan and sickness and disease. Consequently, believers should never pray God’s will be done.

James 4:15, KJV
15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.

14] To obtain specific desires, Christians must do three things: (1) loose the power of the “force of faith” by speaking or positively confessing whatever is wanted (e.g., ‘I am healed’, ‘I am not sick’, etc.); (2) believe that whatever has been confessed will definitely be received; and (3) ignore or look beyond the visible reality (i.e, remaining sickness, low finances, etc.) and continue claiming what has been confessed.

James 4:3, KJV
3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

James 4:12-15, KJV
12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
13 Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:
14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.
15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.

15] Everything bad, including poverty and sickness, comes from Satan. God’s people should have a completely blessed life. A Christian not experiencing such a life is either: (1) in sin; or (2) lacking enough faith to bring about what is desired.

John 15:20, KJV
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

John 16:33, KJV
33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

2 Timothy 3:12, KJV
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

16] The power of audible confession is so great that sometimes a person can unknowingly bring tragedy upon themselves by making negative confessions. For example, a woman who is mugged may have actually caused that mugging if at any time prior to the experience she made comments like, ‘I live in such a dangerous part of the city that I'm afraid I’ll be mugged’. The woman should have been saying, ‘I will not be mugged’. Similarly, someone who jokingly says ‘I feel like I'm going crazy’ may actually become insane.

These statements show how the Word of Faith teachers have corrupted the truth contained in the Word of God into a damnable heresy straight out of the pits of Satan’s hell. I cannot say that all those caught up in the Word of Faith movement are unsaved but thay are surely following heretical teachings.

Are you saying that Ron Phillips believes this?

 

[awaken]

I said nothing of the sort. You need to compartmentalize my directly addressing your statement from the guy you were talking about.

Having said that what you suggested about this preacher is entirely possible.

What has this man said or preached against the Word of God?

 

[Revmitchell]

What has this man said or preached against the Word of God?

Speaking in tongues, as the charismatics practice it, is an abomination and a mockery of both the word of God and God himself. Pretending to perform an act that God has nothing to do with and claim God is doing it is sad, and a perversion of all of the same. Quite frankly it disgusts me and anyone who engages in that behavior has some serious issues.

 

[OldRegular]

Are you saying that Ron Phillips believes this?

I have no idea who Ron Philips is but you appear to believe some of this heretical teaching.

 

[awaken]

I have no idea who Ron Philips is but you appear to believe some of this heretical teaching.

I believe the manifestation of the Gift Holy Spirit is still here! Now, if you can show me where ...once he gave them ..he repented of them...

Because all I have seen so far is that you do not believe..

 

[Revmitchell]

I believe the manifestation of the Gift Holy Spirit is still here! Now, if you can show me where ...once he gave them ..he repented of them...

Because all I have seen so far is that you do not believe..

They may be but the nature of those gifts as practiced by the charismatic movement is not biblical.

 

[awaken]

They may be but the nature of those gifts as practiced by the charismatic movement is not biblical.

Well, I am in a Baptist church where the preacher believes in those gifts. Not sure how other churches practice.

So you will have to get more specific..

 

[awaken]

One of strongholds mentioned was that of traditionalism...and the signs of a dead church.

1. It ignores the Holy Spirit.
2. There is a lack of godly leadership.
3. It values reputationover reality.
4. There is growth in number without growth in people.
5. Ministry and work are incomplete.

 

[Revmitchell]

Well, I am in a Baptist church where the preacher believes in those gifts. Not sure how other churches practice.

So you will have to get more specific..

Jibber jabber in the church that is not a known language is not one of those gifts. It is an abomination against God. Speaking a known language not otherwise learned in the occasion to share the gospel is the true nature of tongues and the only biblical standard.

 

[awaken]

Jibber jabber in the church that is not a known language is not one of those gifts. It is an abomination against God. Speaking a known language not otherwise learned in the occasion to share the gospel is the true nature of tongues and the only biblical standard.

Can you show me in scripture where tongues were used to spread the gospel?

 

[OldRegular]

I believe the manifestation of the Gift Holy Spirit is still here! Now, if you can show me where ...once he gave them ..he repented of them...

Because all I have seen so far is that you do not believe..

Actually you have no idea what I believe about the Holy Spirit. I do believe this: The teachings of these Word of Faith people like Hagin, Kenyon, Copeland, Hinn, Crouch, Capps, Savelle, Hagin, Avanzini, Price and others of similar stripe is a damnable heresy. I also have seen some of the same stuff in your posts. For example:

Originally Posted by awaken

What is the power Jesus is speaking of? We have the power to hear from God, to speak in tongues, prophesy, do signs, miracles and wonders, and much more. We can bring into manifestation, the gift inside us. His divine nature is sealed in each Christian. No one can see, hear, smell, taste, or touch it. However, Holy Spirit inside can be manifested, brought into evidence...

My bold!