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Demons

Jedi Knight

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I meet a famous christian musician the other night that was doing a bible study. After wards he started talking about spiritual warfare like casting out demons still and there is a demon in this and over there. I don't believe there is a demon behind every bush but what's your thought if someone thinks like that? Do you have a different view how demons interact with us today?
 
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OldRegular

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I meet a famous christian musician the other night that was doing a bible study. After wards he started talking about spiritual warfare like casting out demons still and there is a demon in this and over there. I don't believe there is a demon behind every bush but what's your thought if someone thinks like that? Do you have a different view how demons interact with us today?
I believe there were demons at the time of Jesus Christ and the casting out of them were a manifestation of His Deity. I don't believe there are demons today, that is one proof of the binding of Satan.

One thing is certain, Saints cannot be possessed by demons!

1 John 4:3, 4
3. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.


30-40 years ago when the charismatic movement was hot talk about demon possession was a big thing!

Believers have enough to deal with other than demons: The old man isn't dead yet!
 

Sapper Woody

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I believe there were demons at the time of Jesus Christ and the casting out of them were a manifestation of His Deity. I don't believe there are demons today, that is one proof of the binding of Satan.

One thing is certain, Saints cannot be possessed by demons!

1 John 4:3, 4
3. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.


30-40 years ago when the charismatic movement was hot talk about demon possession was a big thing!

Believers have enough to deal with other than demons: The old man isn't dead yet!
OR, when do you think Satan was bound? The Apostles were still dealing with demons after Christ's ascension. Personally, I believe that demons exist and walk the earth today. I believe they are literally everywhere (not to be confused with omnipresence, I just believe there are a bunch of them), just as angels are all around. But I am leery of anyone who tries to point them out. I do believe they can possess someone, or attach themselves to items. But not nearly as often as some would have you believe.

A related anecdote: my daughter was complaining of seeing monsters and moving shadows. I chalked it up to childhood fear and imagination. After a few days of her having nightmares and complaining about these things, I started poking around. She can't read yet, but had taken my "Book of Mormon" I had for study purposes (as in studying what they believe) and hid it under her pillow to hide it from me. I took it and burnt it. The problem went away immediately.

Does this prove demonic existence/possession/attachment? No. But it's compelling evidence to me.
 

Winman

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The devils are still around, because the Bible says in the latter times people will give heed to "seducing spirits" and "doctrines of devils"

1 Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

The supernatural is real. It is not something we should tamper around with.
 

InTheLight

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I think there are still demons roaming the earth today, and possessing people. Perhaps not as prevalent in countries with a lot of Christians, but certainly more common in pagan countries. Just listen to stories from missionaries.

As to people that think there are demons involved in abundance, I think they are mistaken. I guess I would ask them why they believe this and ask for some proof.
 

OldRegular

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OR, when do you think Satan was bound? The Apostles were still dealing with demons after Christ's ascension. Personally, I believe that demons exist and walk the earth today. I believe they are literally everywhere (not to be confused with omnipresence, I just believe there are a bunch of them), just as angels are all around. But I am leery of anyone who tries to point them out. I do believe they can possess someone, or attach themselves to items. But not nearly as often as some would have you believe.
Matthew 12:24-29
24. But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
25. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
26. And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
27. And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
28. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
29. Or else how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.


And then there is Revelation 20:1-3.

A related anecdote: my daughter was complaining of seeing monsters and moving shadows. I chalked it up to childhood fear and imagination. After a few days of her having nightmares and complaining about these things, I started poking around. She can't read yet, but had taken my "Book of Mormon" I had for study purposes (as in studying what they believe) and hid it under her pillow to hide it from me. I took it and burnt it. The problem went away immediately.

Does this prove demonic existence/possession/attachment? No. But it's compelling evidence to me.

Didn't have to be a demon did it? Of course it is possible her dreams were caused by knowing she had hid something from you!

Some years back one of my teen age granddaughters was given one of the children's editions of the Left Behind series by her paternal step-grandmother. She got so she was afraid to go to sleep. I knew the cause and said so to my daughter. But I did not blame it on demons!
 
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Sapper Woody

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Didn't have to be a demon did it?
Well, I'm pretty sure it wasn't an angel. And I've ruled out fairies, nessy, and bigfoot. It's possible it was a leprechaun. No evidence to rule that out. But my personal opinion is that it was demonic.

Edited to add: see, now you went and edited your post, so mine's not funny anymore.
 
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Jedi Knight

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30-40 years ago when the charismatic movement was hot talk about demon possession was a big thing!

Believers have enough to deal with other than demons: The old man isn't dead yet!

I think he's pretty charismatic. I was surprised because he was teaching pretty solid stuff till he hit that subject.
 

Bob Dudley

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Here's my two cents worth, basically empirical data.

I give the gospel a LOT. I have probably witnessed to over 50,000 people in the last 10 years. I say that to say this, when I am talking to someone about their relationship with Jesus (or, lack of relationship) there are 2 times where the interruptions happen consistently. This is so consistent that it is spooky.

If there is going to be an interruption, it will come (1) when I ask someone if I can share some verses with them to show them how they can be sure about heaven or (2) when I ask someone to put their trust in Jesus to get them to heaven and to forgive their sins.

The interruptions can be a child crying, a dog or cat wanting attention, a phone ringing, a friend walking up to talk. But, the absolute, hands down, most often times the interruptions come are always on those two points.

So, yes, I think there are still demons active today.
 

preachinjesus

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I meet a famous christian musician the other night that was doing a bible study. After wards he started talking about spiritual warfare like casting out demons still and there is a demon in this and over there. I don't believe there is a demon behind every bush but what's your thought if someone thinks like that? Do you have a different view how demons interact with us today?

Some folks see demons behind everything. Usually they are rather charismatic.

I believe demons exist in the world today. I believe they function in a number of ways, but they are not as widespread as many of my charismatic friends believe. Sometimes stuff breaks because it got old...not because of a demon.

As I've encountered demon possession, I personally have seen an exorcism where a demon had possessed a non-believer and it was manifesting itself in spectacular ways. The demon was cast out and the person changed, then became a follower of Jesus.

Sometimes I think our understanding and conception of demons, and Satan, is more informed by writers like Dante than writers like the Apostle Paul.

They do exist in the world and operate in specific ways, but when my car breaks down I'm taking it my mechanic and not my local Pentecostal camp meeting. :)
 

InTheLight

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If there is going to be an interruption, it will come (1) when I ask someone if I can share some verses with them to show them how they can be sure about heaven or (2) when I ask someone to put their trust in Jesus to get them to heaven and to forgive their sins.

The interruptions can be a child crying, a dog or cat wanting attention, a phone ringing, a friend walking up to talk. But, the absolute, hands down, most often times the interruptions come are always on those two points.

So, yes, I think there are still demons active today.

I've noticed that at my church. The pastor is wrapping up the sermon, giving the call to action, the personal questions about whether or not you've trusted Jesus as Savior, and yes, the babies start crying, as if on cue. Mostly quiet babies the entire sermon but when it comes time for people to be introspective and examine themselves to see if they are in Jesus or not, the crying starts. One week a woman had a heart attack right in the sanctuary.
 

Yeshua1

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I believe there were demons at the time of Jesus Christ and the casting out of them were a manifestation of His Deity. I don't believe there are demons today, that is one proof of the binding of Satan.

One thing is certain, Saints cannot be possessed by demons!

1 John 4:3, 4
3. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.


30-40 years ago when the charismatic movement was hot talk about demon possession was a big thing!

Believers have enough to deal with other than demons: The old man isn't dead yet!

satan and his demons are not being bound right now, as evidenced by those heresies such as WoF they keep getting into the church!

And also seen by how they can inspire ISIS to kill off the bethren
 

OldRegular

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The following is taken from the book by Anthony A Hoekema, The Bible and the Future, pages 228, 229, for those who don't understand what the "Binding of Satan" mentioned in Revelation 20:1-3 means.

What is meant, now, by the binding of Satan? In Old Testament times, at least in the post-Abrahamic era, all the nations of the world except Israel were, so to speak, under Satan’s rule. At that time the people of Israel were the recipients of God’s special revelation, so that they knew God’s truth about themselves, about their sinfulness and about the way they could obtain forgiveness for their sins [though it must be admitted that this knowledge was given to them in types and shadows, so that it was incomplete]. During this same time, however, the other nations of the world did not know that truth, and were therefore in ignorance and error [see Acts 17:30]--except for an occasional person, family, or city which came into contact with God’s special revelation. One could say that during this time these nations were deceived by Satan, as our first parents had been deceived by Satan when they fell into sin in the Garden of Eden.

Just before his ascension, however, Christ gave his disciples his Great Commission: “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations” [Matthew. 28:19]. At this point one can well imagine the disciples raising a disturbing question: How can we possibly do this if Satan continues to deceive the nations the way he has in the past? In Revelation 20:1-3 John gives a reassuring answer to this question. Paraphrased, his answer goes something like this: “During the gospel era which has now been ushered in, Satan will not be able to continue deceiving the nations the way he did in the past, for he has been bound. During this entire period, therefore, you, Christ's disciples, will be able to preach the gospel and make disciples of all nations.”

This does not imply that Satan can do no harm whatever while he is bound. It means only what John says here: while Satan is bound he cannot deceive the nations in such a way as to keep them from learning about the truth of God. Later in this chapter we are told that when the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations of the world to gather them together to fight against the people Of God [Revelation 20:7-9]. This, however, he cannot do while he is bound. We conclude, then, that the binding of Satan during the gospel age means that, first, he cannot prevent the spread of the gospel, and second, he cannot gather all the enemies of Christ together to attack the church.

Is there any indication in the New Testament that Satan was bound at the time of the first coming of Christ? Indeed there is. When the Pharisees accused Jesus of casting out demons by the power of Satan, Jesus replied, “How can one enter a Strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man?” [Matthew 12:29]. Interestingly enough, the word used by Matthew to describe the binding of the strong man is the same word used in Revelation 20 to describe the binding of Satan [the Greek word deo]. One could say that Jesus bound the devil when he triumphed over him in the wilderness, refusing to give in to his temptations. Jesus’ casting out of demons, so he teaches us in this passage, was evidence of this triumph. One could counter that the binding of Satan mentioned here is reported in connection with the casting out of demons rather than in connection with the preaching of the gospel. But I would reply that the casting out of demons is an evidence of the presence of the kingdom of God [Matthew 12:28], and that it is precisely because the kingdom of God has come that the gospel can now be preached to all the nations [see Matthew 13:24-30, 47-50].

When the seventy returned from their preaching mission, they said to Jesus, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in your name.” Jesus replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven” [Luke 10: 17-18]. These words, needless to say, must not be interpreted as suggesting Satan’s literal descent from heaven at that moment. They must rather be understood to mean that Jesus saw in the works his disciples were doing an indication that Satan’s kingdom had just been dealt a crushing blow--that, in fact, a certain binding of Satan, a certain restriction of his power, had just taken place. In this instance Satan's fall or binding is associated directly with the missionary activity of Jesus’ disciples.

Another passage which relates the restriction of Satan’s activities to Christ's missionary outreach is John 12:31-32: “Now is the judgment of this world, now shall the ruler of this world be cast out; and I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself.” It is interesting to note that the verb translated “cast out" [ekballo] is derived from the same root as the word used in Revelation 20:3, “and threw [ballo] him [Satan] into the pit.” Even more important, however, is the observation that Satan's being “cast out” is here associated with the fact that not only Jews but men of all nationalities shall be drawn to Christ as he hangs on the cross.

The binding of Satan described in Revelation 20:1-3, therefore, means that throughout the gospel age in which we now live the influence of Satan, though certainly not annihilated, is so curtailed that he cannot prevent the spread of the gospel to the nations of the world. Because of the binding of Satan during this present age, the nations cannot conquer the church, but the church is conquering the nations.

I have posted Scripture on numerous occasions showing the binding of Satan by Jesus Christ but some don't want to accept that Scripture, apparently because it does not comport with their doctrine!
 
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Alcott

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There's a tendency to give the devil and his angels way too much credit, think we've got them all figured out-- where they are, what they do, who they 'have'--and historically the results have been cruel and despicable, leading people to hate the church and leave it.

Man himself is evil enough. Don't blame the salesman for you buying his product when you knew it wasn't right for you.
 

OldRegular

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I've noticed that at my church. The pastor is wrapping up the sermon, giving the call to action, the personal questions about whether or not you've trusted Jesus as Savior, and yes, the babies start crying, as if on cue. Mostly quiet babies the entire sermon but when it comes time for people to be introspective and examine themselves to see if they are in Jesus or not, the crying starts. One week a woman had a heart attack right in the sanctuary.

Perhaps the mothers are ready to go home and pinch the babies, just a little, then blame it on a demon!
 

Yeshua1

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The bimding of satan happens in the revelation, as he will be bound up during that reign of jesus here on the earth, as NONE will go against the Lord and the true Gospel during that time, as ALL nations and peoples will worship God and Jesus...

All of that happening today yet?
 

JohnDeereFan

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I meet a famous christian musician the other night that was doing a bible study. After wards he started talking about spiritual warfare like casting out demons still and there is a demon in this and over there. I don't believe there is a demon behind every bush but what's your thought if someone thinks like that? Do you have a different view how demons interact with us today?

When I was caught up in the Word of Faith movement, all we heard about was "Spirit of This" and "Demon of That".

I always thought it was funny that we would keep binding the Devil and the same demons over and over. Apparently, we didn't bind them very well, because they kept getting loose.

I remember at the Creation Festival one year, some other staffers and I were praying to rebuke the rain and send it away (no, I'm not kidding) and rebuking the Devil because, surely, he must be causing the rain to put a damper (no pun intended) on our good time.

Didn't really occur to me at that time that (a) God sends the rain or that (b) God might have sent that rain as the answer to some local farmer's prayer.

But, boy, we sure were full of ourselves for sticking it to the Devil!

Speaking of Christian musicians, Carman was a very popular figure in the WoF movement at that time, and every other word out of his mouth was about the Devil or demons. He even had a song comparing Christians to gunfighters and "killing" the Devil. Like most of his songs, ridiculous and ridiculously Unbiblical.

Personally, I don't see any reason to attribute to the Devil or his demons is much more likely attributed to the sinfulness of man.
 
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