Evangelicals are shrinking I think.
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Evangelicals are shrinking I think.
SavedByGrace
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or becoming "Liberal" themselves, like here in the UK.
Actually, a lot of Evangelicals did not support Trump - they wanted a born-again Christian.
Well, as many said we were voting on a Commander in chief - not a Pastor in Chief.
In fact, I had a (former) good friend from FB (and whom I often talk on the phone with) who defriend me on FB
.In addition, our churches are not doing a good job of training our young people. A large % who attend secular college loose their faith by the end of the year.
Ministries tackle 70% rate of college students leaving faith
Found this from Wiki :
John C. Green, a senior fellow at the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, used polling data to separate evangelicals into three broad camps, which he labels as traditionalist, centrist and modernist:[21]
Evangelicalism in the United States - Wikipedia
- Traditionalist evangelicals, characterized by high affinity for certain Protestant beliefs, (especially penal substitutionary atonement, justification by faith, the authority of scripture, the priesthood of all believers, etc.) which, when fused with the highly political milieu of Western culture (especially American culture), has resulted in the political disposition that has been labeled the Christian right, with figures like Jerry Falwell and the television evangelist Pat Robertson as its most visible spokesmen.
- Centrist evangelicals, described as socially conservative, mostly avoiding politics, who still support much of traditional Christian theology.
- Modernist evangelicals, a small minority in the movement, have lower levels of church-attendance and "have much more diversity in their beliefs".[21]
from the Wiki article listed above
Political ideology among American Evangelicals[76]
Conservative (55%)
Liberal (13%)
Moderate (27%)
Don't know (6%)
Political ideology among American Evangelicals[76]
Conservative (55%)
Liberal (13%)
Moderate (27%)
Don't know (6%)
One of the main reasons that young people leave Christianity, and I think that it happens as early as beginning high school, is that high school and college science teach evolution and deep time, which render Genesis untrue, so young people buy the obsolete American science and discard Christianity.
SavedByGrace
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but surley given the choice between Trump and Biden, could they really have voted for Biden?
Bible-believing Evangelicals are very sadly on the decline in the US and UK, they are adopting a more "social" gospel, which Pauls says is no "gospel" at all! I have also found from Evangelical Churches that I have attended here in the UK, that many who would call themselves "Evangelical", hardly read the Bible!
RighteousnessTemperance&
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The "Social Gospel" has made major inroads. Best I can tell, the virtue signaling rhetoric of the progressive left fools even many morally upright people. Their thinking in this area tends to be superficial. They don't look at what is really meant, what implementing certain policies would really mean, what the left really stands for. And too, many immigrants are equally ignorant of politics, but often see Dems as favoring them.
Also, the GOP has failed to offer candidates who represent enough difference to matter to many conservatives, so they don't bother voting. But don't underestimate the political machinery put in place by Dems. Gingrinch was complimentary of the efforts of Stacey Abrams in Georgia, saying the Reps need to get busy building their own. And then of course the media is mostly Dem oriented, and their influence is felt across the board.
SavedByGrace
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many years ago, Dr Martyn Lloyd-Jones, who was the Pastor of the Church in London I attended when I lived there, wrote an excellent book, "What is an Evangelical", here is some from it, Martyn Lloyd-Jones: What is an Evangelical? (3)
The Dems had to cheat to win. Rich suburban white women are materialistic, not Christian. They prefer big government. They never fathomed the depravity of the Bidens from head to toe. They don’t like Evangelicals and Fundamentalists but they refused to look at what Trump did to save western civilization.
I remember preaching at an American Bapt church about 20 years ago.
After the service - an older man came up to me and said he had not heard preaching
like that in that church for years.
Last year, I was intern at an ABC church. I gave an invitation a few times - and a couple of people actually had a problem with that. One other thing - one day when there was to be a parade - which went right past the church - they would sell hot dogs and soda. I was asked to work in the Kitchen. I informed the lady, that I would be manning the prayer tent. She had a problem with that. Prior to my being intern pastor, I would listen to them from time to time on the radio - never once did I hear the gospel message given.
After the service - an older man came up to me and said he had not heard preaching
like that in that church for years.
Last year, I was intern at an ABC church. I gave an invitation a few times - and a couple of people actually had a problem with that. One other thing - one day when there was to be a parade - which went right past the church - they would sell hot dogs and soda. I was asked to work in the Kitchen. I informed the lady, that I would be manning the prayer tent. She had a problem with that. Prior to my being intern pastor, I would listen to them from time to time on the radio - never once did I hear the gospel message given.
SavedByGrace
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The US like here in the UK is fast becoming a more "secular, inclusive" country. There are too many who claim to be Bible-believing Christians, who are clearly not. Like, Joel Osteen, Andy Stanley, Rick Warren, T D Jakes, Kenneth Copeland, John Hagee, etc, etc. These men are deceivers of the Truth as taught in the Bible, and promote a false gospel that can never save anyone! Some of their teachings are demonic!
SavedByGrace
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I remember preaching at an American Bapt church about 20 years ago.
After the service - an older man came up to me and said he had not heard preaching
like that in that church for years.
Last year, I was intern at an ABC church. I gave an invitation a few times - and a couple of people actually had a problem with that. One other thing - one day when there was to be a parade - which went right past the church - they would sell hot dogs and soda. I was asked to work in the Kitchen. I informed the lady, that I would be manning the prayer tent. She had a problem with that. Prior to my being intern pastor, I would listen to them from time to time on the radio - never once did I hear the gospel message given.
Very sad indeed!
The Lord foresaw this and warned those who would listen.
For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine and accurate instruction [that challenges them with God’s truth]; but wanting to have their ears tickled [with something pleasing], they will accumulate for themselves [many] teachers [one after another, chosen] to satisfy their own desires and to support the errors they hold (2 Timothy 4:3. Amp. Bible)
SavedByGrace
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I cannot not fully agree with their article on "God".
RighteousnessTemperance&
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What I hear is that many young people don't feel the church is answering their questions, which can include feeling indoctrinated rather than informed. Waiting until kids get to high school or college is not recommended. They should be forewarned and forearmed as early as possible, so that when the onslaught comes, they will be ready. Whether they argue with intimidating teachers, they needn't feel threatened in their faith.
What do you disagree about?
SavedByGrace
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the language used to describe God The Father, and then Jesus Christ, shows the age old heresy of "subordinationism", in the Godhead. Where it is The Father alone Who is described by certain terms, as though He alone is the more "prominent" Person in the Holy Trinity. This is very much error, as The Three are 100% coequal, coeternal and coessential. Here is what is said on The Father:
A. God the Father
God as Father reigns with providential care over His universe, His creatures, and the flow of the stream of human history according to the purposes of His grace. He is all powerful, all knowing, all loving, and all wise. God is Father in truth to those who become children of God through faith in Jesus Christ. He is fatherly in His attitude toward all men.
Baptist Faith & Message 2000 - The Baptist Faith and Message
Then read what is said of Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, and none of these is mentioned for either Person! The language used for Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, is very much "inferior", to that for the Father. Some from very early time, even the Orthodox/Evengelical, have viewed God the Father as "Fons Deitatis", from Whom alone there is "derivation", of all things, including in some minds, the Son and Holy Spirit! The so called "Creeds" of the early Church, like Nicaea, teach this heresy of "subordinationism".
There is no mention of subordination and it is not present in the SBC.
Going forward I'm the last comment.Actually, a lot of Evangelicals did not support Trump - they wanted a born-again Christian.
Well, as many said we were voting on a Commander in chief - not a Pastor in Chief.
In fact, I had a (former) good friend from FB (and whom I often talk on the phone with) who defriend me on FB
In addition, our churches are not doing a good job of training our young people. A large % who attend secular college loose their faith by the end of the year.
Ministries tackle 70% rate of college students leaving faith
Found this from Wiki :
John C. Green, a senior fellow at the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, used polling data to separate evangelicals into three broad camps, which he labels as traditionalist, centrist and modernist:[21]
Evangelicalism in the United States - Wikipedia
and then of course you have those who do not want to mix religion and politics - ie -religion is more important than politics - so dont waste your time on elections
- Traditionalist evangelicals, characterized by high affinity for certain Protestant beliefs, (especially penal substitutionary atonement, justification by faith, the authority of scripture, the priesthood of all believers, etc.) which, when fused with the highly political milieu of Western culture (especially American culture), has resulted in the political disposition that has been labeled the Christian right, with figures like Jerry Falwell and the television evangelist Pat Robertson as its most visible spokesmen.
- Centrist evangelicals, described as socially conservative, mostly avoiding politics, who still support much of traditional Christian theology.
- Modernist evangelicals, a small minority in the movement, have lower levels of church-attendance and "have much more diversity in their beliefs".[21]
