Denominations

[BobRyan]

NT Jewish Christians -- vs NT Jews -

Same Bible
Same Synagogue
Same God
Same story of the fall of man
Same promise of the Messiah
Same day of Worship
Same reverence for Bible authors
Same Ten Commandment Law being observed

And because of this you see Paul INVITED to speak in the synagogues - "Sabbath after Sabbath". Seldom will you find such a close affinity between Batpists and Lutherans for example such that IF a Lutheran Pastor visits a Baptist church - he will be asked to come to the pulpit and say a few words for the congregation if he has something on that particular day.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Darron Steele]

This would be from factionism, not differences in doctrine. The Baptist preacher and the Lutheran minister would have plenty in common -- IF they would choose to focus on simple Christian doctrine instead of group religious tenets.

The most common reason a Lutheran minister would not be offered a few moments at the podium would be simply because the Baptist leadership did not want a Lutheran to speak in their congregation -- and vice versa. I think it would be more about `who is speaking' than `what is said.'

Maybe the New Testament-era Jews have a lesson for us. The New Testament-era Jews did not all agree with each other on everything either. 2 John shows that Christians tended to allow traveling Christian teachers who showed up wanting to teach to do just that -- they had to be told to exclude certain visitors.

I have never noticed what you pointed out, but I think you have noticed a problem. There is no reason why if a traveling Christian preacher shows up, that preacher should not be invited to give a brief and simple `word of exhortation' in the principle of Hebrews 10:24-5 "love and good deeds" (NASB).

 

[antiaging]

Wow! I take it you really like to say bad things about Catholics. The Catholic organization has severe problems, and a brutal past. Nonethless, I am all for leaving things that happened in the past in the past, and not letting the actions of unbelievers affect how I perceive and deal with Catholics as a whole.

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Severe Problems; is that what you call it?
Former Jesuit priest Alberto Rivera said, During the vatican II council in the 1960s, they ratified every tenant of the Council of Trent. The (Anathemas) in the council of Trent is what the catholic church used to justify murdering people that refused to obey the popes, which they called heretics. All of those laws from the council of Trent are still in effect. The laws conscerning murdering people of other religions can be acted upon at any time that they get the political or military power to do so.
Read about their latest 20 th century inquisition in the 1930s in Croatia.
http://www.reformation.org/holocaus.html

That is about what they did to the Greek Orthodox in Croatia. Catholic priests were reportedly among those in the killer squads.
Heinrich Hemler's uncle was a Jesuit priest and high ranking member of the Gestapo that murdered people of the Jewish faith in WWII. He was found dead in his cell at Nuremburg before coming to trial.
[It was according to faith not race.]--Race is the cover story to cover it up.
Goebels was Jewish, so was Adolph Eichman.
Gen. Milch of the SS was Jewish.
Thousands of Jews in the German army; not of the Jewish faith.
http://www.angelfire.com/on/nwo2000/vaticannazis.html

Go to that website and read about how they helped start 2 World Wars and the holocaust was really a catholic inquisition.

If they had the political or military power to back them up right now, I think they might try to give you Severe Problems.!!!

 

[Darron Steele]

Antiaging: that last post of yours had even less to do with the posted topic than the prior one.

I am beginning to wonder whether or not the original thread topic is just a `front' or a `cover.' If the real purpose of this thread of yours is to vent unpleasant feelings toward Catholics, I would prefer not to play with you.

 

[CarpentersApprentice]

... I go to that church of Christ church because it is the closest church to my house that teaches real salvation. I don't agree with them about there insistence that baptism in water is necessary for salvation... I do not agree with joining any church that does not teach real salvation...

You seem to be contradicting yourself here:

A. I do not agree with joining any church that does not teach real salvation.
B. I go to that church of Christ church that teaches real salvation.
C. I don't agree with them about there insistence that baptism in water is necessary for salvation.

Please clarify. (And I hope you don't strain at the gnat, but swallow the camel of "I go there, but I have not joined.")

CA

 

[Ed Edwards]

Opening Post: //I think you should be able to see what I am trying to say here. The scriptures seem to show that denominationalism is not correct.//

Thou wit not of which you speak. Indeed, i see what you are trying to say, but there is little if any meaning to your statement. First define 'denominationalism'. I know among the IFB there is little if any denomination at all. Go to an IFB down the street and it will be different from that IFB. Among the SBC there is little if any denomination -- oh some pooling of money, some useless denominational leaders. To pharaphrase Will Rogers:

I don't belong to an organized religion -- i've been a Southern Baptist 55 years of my life.

 

[TCGreek]

1 Corinthians 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

1 Corinthians 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

1 Corinthians 1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

1 Corinthians 1:15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

Comparison:
There seems to be contentions among the denominations.
Now this I say, that every one of you says, I am of Martin Luther (Lutheran); and I of John Calvin (Presbyterian); and I of John Wesley (Methodist); and I of Christ.

Is Christ devided? Was Martin Luther crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Luther?

I think you should be able to see what I am trying to say here. The scriptures seem to show that denominationalism is not correct.

1. Denominations are the results of our human limitations and should remind us of our need for God and our need to forbear with each other.

2. Get this: Christ prayed that all believers be one (John 17). Has His prayer failed?

3. I don't think so, even with so many denominations.

4. Here's the grind: denominations who think they are the only correct ones and everyone else is wrong and would not even acknowledge Christians from other denominations, they are frustrating the prayer of Jesus.

5. But those denominations who recognize their differences, yet acknowledge Christians from other groups, they are making an effort to apply and realize the prayer of Jesus.

6. But even with the same denomination there are divisions: the blacks have their own worship and the white have their own worship. The traditional have their own worship and the contemporary have their own worship and so on.

7. That is why we need to be patient while on earth.

 

[Ed Edwards]

I've studied denominations.
I've been to places called "Church of Christ" in Oklahoma, Maryland, and California -- all different. The several I went to in Oklahoma were slightly different. One in Oklahoma even had pews (no musical insturments, of course).

Now I'll tell you some stuff I found out in life's journey and my study of various and sundry 'denominations':

The "Oklahoma Church of Christ" was more like my Baptist church I grew up in than it was like the "California Church of Christ".

It is easer (legally) to start a denomination than a local church. Most denominations in the USofA were started by the laws of the various States of the USofA. The General Baptist Convention of Oklahoma (incorporated under the laws of the State of Oklahoma as a not-for-profit) is a denomination that is aligned with the Southern Baptist Convention (incorporated under the laws of the State of Virginia as a not-for-profit)

Some 75% of denominations come from denominatinal splits (geographical or doctrinal) or unions
Some 20% of denominations come from an attempt to make a new denomination that will take the place of denominationalism. That leaves only 5% of the denominations were actually caused by variant faith & practice.

People who are screaming about demoninationalism appear to be the most likely to practicing it. (If that bothers one, i'm hoping it isn't true and that one is the only one who can correct my opinion).

 

[TCGreek]

I've studied denominations.
I've been to places called "Church of Christ" in Oklahoma, Maryland, and California -- all different. The several I went to in Oklahoma were slightly different. One in Oklahoma even had pews (no musical insturments, of course).

Now I'll tell you some stuff I found out in life's journey and my study of various and sundry 'denominations':

The "Oklahoma Church of Christ" was more like my Baptist church I grew up in than it was like the "California Church of Christ".

It is easer (legally) to start a denomination than a local church. Most denominations in the USofA were started by the laws of the various States of the USofA. The General Baptist Convention of Oklahoma (incorporated under the laws of the State of Oklahoma as a not-for-profit) is a denomination that is aligned with the Southern Baptist Convention (incorporated under the laws of the State of Virginia as a not-for-profit)

Some 75% of denominations come from denominatinal splits (geographical or doctrinal) or unions
Some 20% of denominations come from an attempt to make a new denomination that will take the place of denominationalism. That leaves only 5% of the denominations were actually caused by variant faith & practice.

People who are screaming about demoninationalism appear to be the most likely to practicing it. (If that bothers one, i'm hoping it isn't true and that one is the only one who can correct my opinion).

Denominations are not real the problem. Denominationalism is real problem.