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Depart from me I never knew you...

Don

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How can the HS "manifest' Himself thru the ministries of those who teach a perverted Gospel, and another jesus though, isn't he the Spirit of truth?
And THAT is the true test, the true measure of where the gifts are coming from. What do they preach about Jesus? Do they preach the gospel, or do they espouse "prosperity"? Tolerance of sin? When you pay attention to what they preach, is it a "feel good" message, or a true message of God's love? Do they preach like Job's friends that if you do good, you will be blessed? Or that it's not of our works, but His sacrificial love?
 

awaken

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From the context it is the fruit that is the real test!

THis verse does not disprove that those things do not happen today! Yes! There are counterfeits of the real.
 

Don

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From the context it is the fruit that is the real test!
Can the unsaved exhibit joy? Peace? Gentleness? Meekness? If so, then one must be cautious when judging by the fruits.

THis verse does not disprove that those things do not happen today! Yes! There are counterfeits of the real.
Yes, there are counterfeits; and that includes speaking in tongues, doesn't it?
 

awaken

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Can the unsaved exhibit joy? Peace? Gentleness? Meekness? If so, then one must be cautious when judging by the fruits.


Yes, there are counterfeits; and that includes speaking in tongues, doesn't it?
Yes! I believe satan counterfeits all the real and valuable! He loves to counterfeit true biblical experiences in order to discredit the work of God.

The Word supports the 9 manifestation of the Holy Spirit!
We know that prophesying is real!
We know that casting out devils is real!

Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God. Every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.

Another way to test them is ask what the manifestation or sign has done for the believer or for the church. The sign should never be the destination, an end unto itself. They should always display a deeper love for Jesus, a new hunger for Scripture, a passion for the lost souls, a thirst for righteousness and a new love for others.
 

awaken

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awaken -

These people in the text, they are banking on getting into heaven and living for an eternity with a God that they actually do believe exists by their own merit. They've done some pretty impressive things, spiritually speaking, and in their own eyes, they did it all by themselves. They behaved LIKE a Christian .... but impressive and powerful behavior, without a transformation by God, is only play-acting.

They aren't crying out, "LORD, LORD have mercy on me a sinner..". They are crying out, "LORD, LORD, look at me! Look at what I did! Arent' I GREAT!"
I am leaning more to this being the best understanding of this scripture!
 
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