Depression

[donnA]

Lorelei, does that mean you never use doctors? You've never been to a doctor, your children have never been to a doctor?
No matter if they are christian or not,their medical knowlegde is still secular. Therefore if you ever use a doctor you are partaking of secular medical knowledge and research.
Do you use aspirin?
Vitamins? you or your children?
cough syrup?
throat lozenages?
childhood shots? you or your children that is.
sinus medications?
allergy medications?
anything for dry skin?
dandruff shampoo?

Prephaps these are all caused by sin. Prephaps you are in sin when you use any of these or the many other products that exsist because of medical knowledge and research.

 

[donnA]

Originally posted by Dr. Bob Griffin:
Depression has nothing to do with "not trusting God". I am startled that anyone would think that.

Should we begin to go through Bible characters that "suffered" from clinical depression. Certainly there may be spiritual roots, but to categorize it as simply not enough faith is patently simplistic.

David
Moses
Samson
Elijah
Jonah
Peter
Bob

Seems Lorelei doesn't have an answer, and this is from the word of God. Well since your already looking, how about an answer to Dr. Bob?

 

[donnA]

Originally posted by Rev. Joshua:
The Scriptures clearly indicate that the power of God can overcome leprosy, crippled limbs, and even death. We can learn two things from this: God can cure any illness and God does not cure every illness.

The fact that God has not cured someone's depression is no more of an indicator that they are out of favor with God than the fact that God has not cured someone else's diabetes.

Joshua

Joshua, I agree with you.

 

[Lorelei]

Originally posted by kate B...007:
According to your theory.

No, according to what you think my theory is. You are currently on a rampage against something I have never said. If you would like to get back to discussing it that would be great.

I never said illness was caused by being in sin. I never said depression was caused by being in sin. I said depression is not an illness.

Joshua,

The symptoms of real illnesses are not in opossition to the fruit of the spirit. No legitimate disease is the opposite of peace, love, joy, gentleness etc. That is why I do not believe that depression is an illness. We are promised peace, joy, love, and rest in Christ, whether we are sick or ill. I don't believe an illness can occur that can over ride that promise.

~Lorelei

 

[donnA]

You knw looking at the word of God I found this.

John 9:
2And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
3Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him.


Seems Jesus disagrees with you. And thats from the word of God. Who is to question what work God wants to reveal through a peron, as we can see through out scripture it isn't always through perfect health.

 

[donnA]

I never said illness was caused by being in sin. I never said depression was caused by being in sin. I said depression is not an illness.

Then explain the evidence that it is cused by things like hormonal imballance, menopause, thyroid, preganacy?
Are these people in sin?
If someone you love dies you feel depressed are you in sin?


Rampage?
Nope I know your wrong, both medicine and the bible say that, and theres no sence in playing your righteous games.

 

[Lorelei]

Originally posted by kate B...007:
Nope I know your wrong, both medicine and the bible say that, and theres no sence in playing your righteous games.

Where does the Bible say that depression is an illness?

~Lorelei

 

[donnA]

Originally posted by Lorelei:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by kate B...007:
Nope I know your wrong, both medicine and the bible say that, and theres no sence in playing your righteous games.

Where does the Bible say that depression is an illness?

~Lorelei </font>[/QUOTE]Please see my pervious post.

 

[Lorelei]

Kate,

I have seen all your posts and you have only offered one scripture and that had to do with blindness, not depression.

~Lorelei

 

[Terry_Herrington]

Lorelei,
I appreciate your trusting in the Word of God and in your readiness to defend it. I think, however, that depression is not simply someone who is unable to trust in God. I have been depressed and though I did not desire to stay that way, things did not automatically change because I tried to be joyfull. I looked to God and cried out for help. I have found out that God can and will work this out. It has taken years and still I suffer with some bouts of depression.

It would be nice if everything worked as easily as you seem to think they should. This is seldom the case. I believe that God can use depression to teach us things we might not otherwise be able to fully understand.

Surely Job was depressed when he said, "Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him." In the midst of this depression, Job called out to God. God did not immediately respond to Job's request. In the end, God used Job's situation to, not only bless those in his time, but people down through the ages.

Glory to God that even mental illness cannot thwart God's ability to accomplish His will in our lives. Hallelujah!

 

[Sherrie]

Lorelei

There are some places in the Bible where insanity is refered as demon possed. Such as Nebuchadnezzar in Dan.4:33. This verse refers to him being Mad. Madness. And then there was Saul. But listen, these people were like this to show a miraclous story. But surely you do not believe all Depressed, or Manic Depressed people are demon possed.

To be depressed means to be below a certain level. To be sad. To be below a healthy level.

Illness means to not be healthy. To be out of health.


Not every case of depression was shown in the Bible. Nor was every illness.

You are very much right if you are saying that Jesus is our healing physican, but there are times, when like everything else, God decides different ways for people. Its not always an instant healing. Sometimes it is a learning process for that person, and sometimes it is a process for others to see and learn. Sometimes it can bring you even closer to God, than had you not had it at all.


God is the Creator. You cannot judge anothers relationship, based on yours, or someone else form the Bible. There is so much sickness in this world, and to say all is possed with evilness because their relationship is not right with God is wrong.

I am so Joyous in the Lord. Nothing is more exciting to me. But I am very saddened by the loss of my husband. He died 2 years ago. God knows I am saddened by that loss, but it does not make my relationship with Him any less. It really has only made it more. This is only one kind of depression, there is so many more kinds that are 50 times worse than this.

Maybe you do not understand the way depression is put here, because you have never felt low, or sad. Maybe you have never felt below a level of joy. Maybe you have never been insane.

But it very much is an illness that some cannot shake; but they still do find refuge in God. Their relationship with God is very strong. While others I will agree, have no relationship with God; they too have the illness.

I do not think you have been fair on this issue.

Sherrie

 

[donnA]

Originally posted by Lorelei:
Kate,

I have seen all your posts and you have only offered one scripture and that had to do with blindness, not depression.

~Lorelei

Lorelei, what it had to do with if you would reread it, is that sin is not the cause of illness. If all you get from this verse is blindness you have missed the boat.

 

[donnA]

One of David's most heart wrenching psalms was written out of a deep depression. I don't think anyone would say he did not have a relationship with God.

 

[donnA]

Both christiasn and non christiasn become ill, both christiasn and nn christians have depression. There is a major difference in the two. Christiasn know they do not walk alone, they ahve someoen the nonchristian does not have. Contrary to what you believe many of these peole have deep relationships with God,and many gain even deeper relationships with Him, as they seek to get well through Him. No one has said medicine cures depression, but while you are working on getting well it helps make the symptoms bareable. Remember the feeling of being low is only a symptom.

 

[Lorelei]

Terry,

Thanks for the kind words and testimony of how God can indeed free someone from depression.

We all have struggles of the flesh and sometimes God will reveal our weaknesses so that He can remain strong, but this fails if our focus remains on our weaknesses rather than the one who is pulling us through it.

It may sound as if I am over simplifying the matter, but was anything I said in error? Can God and God alone cure depression?

I believe He can and I believe that He has promised us that peace and rest.

Thanks again for encouraging testimony.

~Lorelei

 

[Lorelei]

Originally posted by Sherrie:
There is so much sickness in this world, and to say all is possed with evilness because their relationship is not right with God is wrong.

I ask you again, where did I suggest such a thing?

Please check your pms.

Originally posted by Sherrie:

I do not think you have been fair on this issue.

Sherrie

How is it unfair to share the good news that God has provided victory over depression?

~Lorelei

 

[Lorelei]

Kate,

For the last time I never said sin caused illness. Until you can acknowledge that fact this conversation is pointless.

~Lorelei

 

[donnA]

A couple of things, addressing your previous posts.
Show in the bible that sin casues the illness of depression, or that depression is not an illness.

Please give the name and web site of a christian medical school who does their won research independant of secular research and findings. As in everything they teach they researched themselves and never rely on secular research. They've done all their own research in cancer,asthma, allergies, every illness they teach dostors to treat, they themselves have don their own research and then produce their own medications so as not to rely on secular research at all, even for the usefulness of medications.

Please address the list in Dr. Bob's post.

Pease addrss the rest of my post about different peoples with depression, casued by hormoes, pregancy, menopause, PMS. Each with certain chemical problems that are directly related to depression.

Until you can address each of these issuses I can not see there is a conversation to continue, as you refuse to answer.

 

[donnA]

One of the fruits of the Spirit is joy. The Holy Spirit sent from God gives you joy, not only in good times, but in all times and in all things. No physical ailment can overcome or overpower the Holy Spirit. To suggest that it can, gives that ailment more power than the power of God.

Joy: Intense and especially ecstatic or exultant happiness

Did God not offer us peace? Did not Jesus promise us rest? If these promises were only made to healthy people, then that isn't fair for the millions of people who didn't have a pill to cure their depression in centuries past.

So your saying God isn't fair? What about cancer? What about heart disease? Tooth decay and resulting in death because there was no dental help in ages past. This theory could be applied to almost anything, not just depression. So in your opinion becasue people have lived in times when help for these aand many other illnesses did not exsist, God is unfair.

 

[BrianT]

Originally posted by Lorelei:
Can God and God alone cure depression?

Yes. And sometimes he uses doctors and medication to do so.