Did Abraham Lincoln save the U.S.?

In virtually all cases slaves were captured or kidnapped by other african tribes and sold to whites who never went inland.

Most slaves were treated as well if not better than the virtual slaves in coal mines and northern sweat shop European immigrants.

It is just easier to condemn the southern system that at least called slavery what it was.

Not entirely unlike todays welfare system... but the only work that is typically required is that they faithfully vote for liberals.

They often used slaves... they just weren't all black and northerners didn't call it slavery. A "Company Store" holding a debt against mine or steel workers was every bit as effective in keeping people "on the plantation" as whips, chains, and titles.

 

I agree with the other posters on this thread, Lincoln did not save the U.S. "from those who sought to destroy it". Lincoln was a tyrant and started the destruction of our Constitutional Republic. Here is a great book I would like to recommend for further reading on the topic of Abraham Lincoln:

 

For those of you who think slavery is equivalent to employment, go be a slave for a while and come back to discuss it. It is not the same. If you absolutely hate being a slave, you cannot just resign.

 

It is almost unbelievable that some "Christians" find ways to support the evil institution of slavery.

Dale C, you said you don't believe anything that is not in the Bible? Well, I guess you don't believe in electricity then. Light another candle and respond to this if you can.

I personally think that Abraham Lincoln is one of the greatest presidents the United States ever had. He faced some difficult situations and made the correct choices. Of course, I believe that one federal government is superior to fifty individual state governments. Had the South won the war, the U.S. would probably not be the superpower we are today.

 

Lincoln made the principles of the Declaration of Independance null and void. Bush will probably cause it to disappear. Can't have young people poisoned with radical thoughts of freedom.

 

You are right billwald the principles our nation was founded on were nullified by Lincoln. Can you see him agreeing founders like Thomas Jefferson when they said

 

Have you ever been a slave?

Tentmaker, thanks for posting those quotes!

 

Yes, but you can't get laid off either, or fired!

I am not saying I want to be a slave, but it isn't so terrible as most people think.

 

Yes, we are such a superpower, we can't even control our own borders. :tear:

 

And maybe if we were not the super power, we would mind our own business and not have the entire world mad at us

 

If one will read the text of Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation, one will find out that it actually only "freed" the slaves in the Confederacy, and then it really only "freed" those slaves in the areas of the Confederacy under the control of the Union forces.

It freed no slaves in those areas of the U.S. that had not seceded (e.g., the "border states").

It took the ratification of the 13th Amendment to free the slaves throughout the entire U.S. That amendment was ratified about eigth months after Lincoln's death.

Hence the saying regarding "The Great Emancipator": What slaves Lincoln could free, he didn't. What slaves Lincoln could not free, he did.

 

Part of Virginia was for slavery, another part was against it. The part of Virginia that was opposed to slavery became West Virginiia after Viginia receded from the Union.
Faithgirl

 

It wasn't so much that they opposed slavery. They opposed the secession of the Commonwealth of Virginia from the federal union. As a condition to be admitted as a state in its own right, West Virginia had to revise its proposed constitution to have an eventual elimination of slavery. Originally, the elected officials of West Virginia were recognized in Washington as the legitimate government of all of Virginia, since the idea was that secession was an illegal act and the original government of the state lost its legitimacy through that action.


More at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_West_Virginia

 

Thank you for clearing that up.:thumbs: I said what I learned in school, but forgot about what you said.
Faithgirl

 

The anniversary of the signing of the Emancipation Proclomation is coming up On June 19th. It's caled June teenth.
Faithgirl

 

Do you care to prove this statement?
Thanks

 

From the wikipedia link I provided:

 

WV may have claimed such, but you didn't show that is really was illegal for the states that did secede to do so.

 

Dale,

That is not the point I was making. I was stating the fact that the US Government disenfranchised the existing government and recognized the new government from the Wheeling Convention as the legitimate government of Virginia, over the secession vote, which was not put up to a vote by the people. This was the position in Washington, not a case I was making. Sorry for the confusion.