Did Abraham Lincoln save the U.S.?

Similar incidents occurred in other "border state" areas as well.

One that immediately comes to mind was that of Kentucky.

While Kentucky remained in the Union, several counties in the western part of KY attempted to secede from KY and subesquently join the CSA. They had even established a "capital" of sorts in Bowling Green, KY.

Nothing ever came of this, but they did try.
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Then of course there's this statement regarding KY:

"Kentucky was the first state to join the Confederacy after the Civil War was over."

 

MP, ok, I understand what you meant.

 

Read the histories on sweat shops, company stores, and the like. They would hire poor people at low wages, extend them a line of credit at the company store, let them rent company housing, etc. They never paid them enough to get out of debt.

They couldn't resign either. They owned no property so they couldn't borrow money from someone else... they were bound to the company by debt.

 

Slavery takes on MANY forms
Some are more benevolent than others.

BTW, the main thing that Lincoln did was to turn us from citizens to subjects.

 

Slavery has changed

Our owners don't care if we choose our jobs and "own" property (along with the bank) as long as we pay taxes and continue to transfer assets from the working class to their Swiss banks.

 

So true, and we have been such slaves since 1865.

Nice to see someone on here that understands that!

 

Well, It would be hard to find anyone who has more pride in the South than myself. Because we take to heart God, Family, and Country. Not to imply others' don't but one nice example is as follows. Mississippi is often near lowest on the totum pole in numerous areas, including economics, but the State/people are first in giving to charitable causes! Hooray for MS!

I do believe Lincoln saved, better preserved, the United States. It would be hard to imagine America as fragmented Nations. With possible exception of California, :laugh: !!

The Civil war had more to do with "State" rights versus Federal government, which had become very powerful and not so representative. Slavery was not the major issue, or rally cry, until well into the war. Then only because groups were putting the Lincoln Administration under pressure.

1) Slaves were sold into such by other Africans.
2) Also as noted the emancipation proclamation only "freed" slaves in rebellious areas(South). It was a tool by which to put down the rebellion and Lincoln noted as such. They weren't freed in other areas(North).
3) No slave ever came to America flying a Confederate flag. Sadly hence>>
4) As I once read the North discouraged/stopped Blacks from moving Northward after Civil War. Maybe someone can verify or discredit this?

The war did end slavery(ownership of men), though and is something to be thankful for.

The Founding Fathers created a Constitution which allowed a process by which wrongs could be righted, Amendments. Also the Decleration of Independence does say

What an awesome sentence! Jefferson was taken to task with the statement "all" men are equal though. So the Founders did addressed the issue of slavery, as most/many wished it's end.
While in the process of finishing the Constitution, and before the Bill of Rights/1st amendment. They re-established the "Northwest Ordinance" 1787. It addressed the admission of future States/territories and other issues. You can google for the actual Ordinance or for a timeline and other facts go here, http://www.americanforeignrelations.com/Ne-Pa/Northwest-and-Southwest-Ordinances.html


Two excellent points within the Northwest Ordinance:

The Northwest Ordinance was again approved by the First Congress under the New Constitution, 1789.

God Bless America:thumbs:

 

The Declaration of Independance has no legal authority in U.S. law or any other legal system.

 

I am not sure why you keep harping on the Declaration of Independence? Once before you said:

All the above statements are simply and utterly incorrect.

1) As noted in regards to Christianity, many or most the same people worked on the Declaration, the Constitution, and even later the Bill of Rights.

2) The Declaration of Independence is one of the Nations most important and greatest documents, period! In addition to the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

There are many other documents, before and after, which also played major roles in American history. But these are accepted as the founding documents of the United States. Which we began calling ourselves with the Declaration of Independence and under the Articles of Confederation.

Declaration of Independence:

Continental Congress and Articles of Confederation:

3) America celebrates it's birthday as July 4th, 1776! When the Declaration of Independence was ratified and such is officially recognized .

4) Lastly. You cannot singly look at the Constitution and grasp full understanding! Or even anything of historical significance. You have to go to the intentions and debates of such with the Founding Fathers. Which includes the Declaration of Independence, the mountain of other documents, AND includes their actions! This is the complete history of the Supreme Court when determining Constitutional Laws!

Only they, have not always gotten it right and indeed have admittedly created a mess with some things. Easily seen, with some liberal or activist rulings of the last 50 years in regards to the First Amendment. Which has gone against historical facts and 150 years worth of previous Supreme Court rulings, from it's inception. :wavey: