Did Adam and Eve go to heaven??

[Taufgesinnter]

Which "of them" today is claiming to have "compiled the Bible for us"??

They're all still one Church, currently led by the bishops of Alexandria, Jerusalem, Constantinople, and Antioch.

 

[DHK]

They're all still one Church, currently led by the bishops of Alexandria, Jerusalem, Constantinople, and Antioch.

The Greek word for "church" is ekklesia, meaning "assembly". These were in no way one church. They were several assemblies, having nothing to do with each other. The only thing that they had in common was the work of the Apostle Paul. He had founded the great majority of them. Other than that they were not connected by anything, unless a fellow traveler passing by could find fellowship among one of these assemblies of believers who had a faith of like doctrine such as he did. That was the only common denominator. There were not one church, not one assembly; but several. Get ahold of the word "church." It means "assembly," in the Greek, and that is what the New Testament was written in, not KJV.
DHK

 

[Taufgesinnter]

That sounds like the fallacy of congr. autonomy

The Greek word for "church" is ekklesia, meaning "assembly". These were in no way one church. They were several assemblies, having nothing to do with each other. The only thing that they had in common was the work of the Apostle Paul. He had founded the great majority of them. Other than that they were not connected by anything, unless a fellow traveler passing by could find fellowship among one of these assemblies of believers who had a faith of like doctrine such as he did. That was the only common denominator. There were not one church, not one assembly; but several. Get ahold of the word "church." It means "assembly," in the Greek, and that is what the New Testament was written in, not KJV.
DHK

I'm sorry to read that you do not believe in the body of Christ. The hydra was a mythological creature with one body and many heads. Do you really believe that Christ has one head and myriads of bodies? He said He would build His Church, not His Churches. The word ekklesia is used in the NT to refer to local congregations, but it is also used to refer to the body of Christ, which is one.

 

[DHK]

I'm sorry to read that you do not believe in the body of Christ. The hydra was a mythological creature with one body and many heads. Do you really believe that Christ has one head and myriads of bodies? He said He would build His Church, not His Churches. The word ekklesia is used in the NT to refer to local congregations, but it is also used to refer to the body of Christ, which is one.

Do you believe that because Christ dwells within each believer that there are many Christs? You are asking the same type of question which makes nonsense.
The correct term for all believers collectively is the family of God. We are "born" into his family, as we become "children of God" (John 1:12) when we are saved. Every church is a body of believers with Christ as its head, and the pastor directly responsible to him. You find this explained quite will in 1Cor.12 where Paul explains the body to the Corinthian Church, an assembly. It is impossible to have an unassembled assembly. The terms are a contradiction one to another.
DHK

 

[Eliyahu]

Did Adam and Eve go to heaven?? What happened to those who died in the old testament??

I thought many people on this board could have answered properly on this issue.
If we say the believers went to the paradise, bosom of Abraham, a better part of Hades, waiting for the resurrection at the end of the era so that they may enter the heaven truly, then yes, Adam and Eve went to the paradise so that they may enter the Heaven finally.

Adam and Eve became sinners by committing the Sin. But God made the coats for them made of skins ( Genesis 3:21), which means that the animals which had nothing to do with the sins had to bleed and die for them, which was the shadow of the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ.
They were clothed with Christ (Gal 3:27)

It seems that Adam and Eve remembered this truth and taught Cain and Abel about this sacrifice, and Abel obeyed this truth but Cain didn't.
Cain offered the fruit of the ground, the human efforts, while Abel offered the firstborn lamb with the fat thereof, which symbolize the Christ, the Anointed, the Lamb of God.

Adam and Eve may be the first people who enter the Paradise, waiting for the time of resurrection and entering into the Heaven.

 

[David Michael Harris]

Did Adam and Eve go to heaven?? What happened to those who died in the old testament??

Adam and his missus left Eden wearing animal skins? A sacrifice to appease their guilt maybe?

Not that the blood of bulls and goats etc can ever appease sin, only Christ's blood can do that.

What think ye!

 

[LeBuick]

Adam and his missus left Eden wearing animal skins? A sacrifice to appease their guilt maybe?

Not that the blood of bulls and goats etc can ever appease sin, only Christ's blood can do that.

What think ye!

Me think ye have good point.

 

[BobRyan]

I thought many people on this board could have answered properly on this issue.
If we say the believers went to the paradise, bosom of Abraham, a better part of Hades, waiting for the resurrection at the end of the era so that they may enter the heaven truly, then yes, Adam and Eve went to the paradise so that they may enter the Heaven finally.

#1. "Bosom of Abraham" is never called "paradise" in scripture.

#2. Paradise is never called "Hades" in scripture or "a better part of Hades".

#3. I do agree that "Waiting for the resurrection so that they may enter heaven" is Biblical.

Adam and Eve became sinners by committing the Sin. But God made the coats for them made of skins ( Genesis 3:21), which means that the animals which had nothing to do with the sins had to bleed and die for them, which was the shadow of the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ.
They were clothed with Christ (Gal 3:27)

Good point.

It seems that Adam and Eve remembered this truth and taught Cain and Abel about this sacrifice, and Abel obeyed this truth but Cain didn't.
Cain offered the fruit of the ground, the human efforts, while Abel offered the firstborn lamb with the fat thereof, which symbolize the Christ, the Anointed, the Lamb of God.

Also a good point - but in both cases it was the fruit of the work of their hands. Abel was a shepherd. Cain was a farmer.

But "the faith" part was Abel "doing what God said no matter what he may think of it" whereas Cain was "ignoring the letter of the word and following a principle.".

Cain's idea was that you should not get so hung up on exactly what God said - the point was to bring in the first - the best of what you had and to show that you were placing God first.

Sounded nice - but in the end "actually doing what God said" was more important than making up nice sounding ideas about what "He really meant".

Adam and Eve may be the first people who enter the Paradise, waiting for the time of resurrection and entering into the Heaven.

Scripture never says they went to Paradise or that they went to "A better part of Hades" or that "Hades is divided into two places". OR that Parts of Hades were scooted all around the cosmos.

In Christ,

Bob