Jarthur001
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NO...webdog said:Are only the nebulous "elect" weary and burdened? Does John 6:37 say "All that don't come to Me were never drawn and given by the Father, and I will cast them out"? Does John 6:44 say "Those who don't come to me were never drawn by the Father, and I will not raise them up on the last day"?
Is the converse of this statment true "Everyone named Nick Saban is a liar"?![]()
But what it does say is....
All that come unto me...I will not cast out.
John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Those that come...Christ will lose none.
39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
And....No man comes....without being drawn
John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Then you say this verse says...all of mankind is drawn.
12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.
12:33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.
12:34 The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?
No man can come unless the Father gives him to the Son.....
The Bible says..ALL men that have Heard come...
No man can COME unless the Father draws them...
You say..All mankind are drawn...
Christ loses no man that comes...
not one that comes will be cast out.....
All Men that come are given rest....
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