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Did God approve of Paul's Gospel but not Peter's?

Bro Tony

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Old Regular,

you and I are in agreement that the Scripture teaches only one Gospel. I do not dispute what the Bible clearly teaches. Of course Peter spoke the Gospel to the Roman gentiles, after God gave him a clear vision, not before. The Scripture records clearly that the church at Jerusalem had to be convinced that the Gospel was for the gentiles also. They heard that the Lord had saved the gentiles and was working through them and God used Paul to the instrument to bring about their change of thinking. Jesus always fulfilled the will of His father that has nothing to do with anything I stated. And Philip was not sent by the church at Jerusalem nor the Apostles to Gentiles clearly He was lead by the Holy Spirit and shared the Gospel with the Samaritans. That was not the official policy or actions of the leadership of the church of Jerusalem.

You and I are clearly in agreement that there is only one Gospel. Where we seemed to be having difficultly is agreeing on how that one Gospel was revealed to the different groups, Jew and Gentile alike.

Bro Tony
 

Benjamin

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Originally posted by OldRegular:
Tony

Who convonced Paul to take the Gospel to the Gentiles, Saul or God?
Raise Hand! I know this one. :D
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Bro Tony

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Who convonced Paul to take the Gospel to the Gentiles, Saul or God?
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I have to confess brother I have no idea what you are talking about. What does this have to do with the struggle of the early church to share the Gospel with the gentiles?

Bro Tony

PS...your question really makes no sense.
 

OldRegular

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Originally posted by Bro Tony:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Who convonced Paul to take the Gospel to the Gentiles, Saul or God?
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I have to confess brother I have no idea what you are talking about. What does this have to do with the struggle of the early church to share the Gospel with the gentiles?

Bro Tony

PS...your question really makes no sense.
</font>[/QUOTE]Very simple, why did Paul take the Gospels to the Gentiles, although he always first went to the Jews? Isn't that what the remaining eleven Apostles did, go to the jews first before God dispersed them among the Gentiles?
 

Bro Tony

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Very simple, why did Paul take the Gospels to the Gentiles, although he always first went to the Jews? Isn't that what the remaining eleven A
This does not change or make incorrect any statement I have made in this thread. And your statement above this still makes no sense "...Saul or God?" What is that about?

Bro Tony
 

OldRegular

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Originally posted by Bro Tony:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Very simple, why did Paul take the Gospels to the Gentiles, although he always first went to the Jews? Isn't that what the remaining eleven Apostles did, go to the Jews first before God dispersed them among the Gentiles?
This does not change or make incorrect any statement I have made in this thread. And your statement above this still makes no sense "...Saul or God?" What is that about?

Bro Tony
</font>[/QUOTE]Some people on this Forum write as if the Gospel is the Gospel of Paul, not the Gospel of Jesus Christ, that is, it originated with Paul, not Jesus Christ. I thought perhaps you were one of them, therefore, the sarcasm.
 

Bro Tony

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Some people on this Forum write as if the Gospel is the Gospel of Paul, not the Gospel of Jesus Christ, that is, it originated with Paul, not Jesus Christ. I thought perhaps you were one of them, therefore, the sarcasm.
Then you have in the very least not read any of my post on this issue. I have stated over and over again that there is only one Gospel. I sometimes wonder if you are one of those who just likes to argue. You have taken a position clearly that all dispensationalist believe in more than one Gospel and when I have tried to show that is not true, you have just ignored what I said and responded with sarcastic remarks that make no sense what so ever. I would always be glad to talk with anyone who really wants to discuss the issues, but I have neither the time nor inclination to continue with someone who will not read and are so biased in their own views that they quickly label others with their own misunderstandings.

I will say good day to you now and hope that the Lord will bless you with an ear to hear what your brothers are trying to share.

Bro Tony
 

OldRegular

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Tony I have read some of your posts and I apologize if you believe I have wronged you. However, some on this Forum claim that the Gospel according to Paul superceded the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
 

Bro Tony

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I know they have brother and I have stated continually that there is only one Gospel, not one for Paul and not one for Peter and not one for Jesus. There is only one and you and I are in agreement.

Blessings,
Tony
 

ituttut

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Originally posted by Benjamin:
I don’t understand the calling of God’s Gospel flawed; it was a perfect plan executed and fooling the Devil.
Benjamin, I’m not calling any gospel of God's flawed. You hit the nail on the head when you said the plan was perfectly executed, fooling the Devil. This is what Paul tells us, and how it was done. I Corinthians 2:7-8, ”But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8. Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.” Shouldn’t we give God some credit of ingenuity?

God knew every facet of His enemy, and Satan thought he was smarter and stronger than God. God beat Satan at his own game. God had a “secret” which I just cannot comprehend how any fail to see – Romans 16:25, ”Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began”.
I also don’t see why some would say the Gospel from Paul was not being used to preach to the Jews. Weren’t the Jews being told that this mystery was the stumblingblock that God had put before them mentioned in Isaiah and Ezekiel?
Paul did preach his gospel of grace given to the Gentiles to the Jews of that day. Two are found in Act 18:2, and there were thousands more. ”And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome:) and came unto them.” This couple of Jewish blood became Christians when they believed the gospel of Paul, which gospel is the gospel of Christ Jesus as given from heaven. It is the gospel of the Grace of God for the Gentile that comes Through faith of, and in Christ Jesus. Jews had two choices during the time of the Apostles, after Damascus Road.

All are considered heathen Gentiles today for God is not dealing with His nation that He created for Himself. He has not forgotten them, for He is returning in His wrath for them, and others. Christian faith, ituttut
 

OldRegular

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Originally posted by ituttut:
This couple of Jewish blood became Christians when they believed the gospel of Paul, which gospel is the gospel of Christ Jesus as given from heaven. It is the gospel of the Grace of God for the Gentile that comes Through faith of, and in Christ Jesus.
ituttut

You keep talking of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as given from heaven.

1. Is that Gospel different than the Gospel which Jesus Christ taught while he was on earth?

2. Is that Gospel different than the Gospel which Jesus Christ taught to Nicodemus in John 3.3? Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

3. Is that Gospel different than the Gospel which Jesus Christ taught the Samaritans [John 4, particularly 4: 39-42]?

39. And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.
40. So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days.
41. And many more believed because of his own word;
42. And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.


4. Is that Gospel different than the Gospel which Jesus Christ taught in John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

5. Is that Gospel different than the Gospel which Jesus Christ taught Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

6. Is that Gospel different than the Gospel which Jesus Christ taught in the parable of the sower in Luke 8:11-15.

11. Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
12. Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
13. They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
14. And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.
15. But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.


7. Is that Gospel different than the Gospel which Jesus Christ taught the two disciples on the road to Emmaus in Luke 24 13-32.

25. Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26. Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27. And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.


ituttut please notice the use of the word believe in the above Scripture.


Originally posted by ituttut:
Jews had two choices during the time of the Apostles, after Damascus Road.
You finally post something that is true. The Jews could accept the Gospel of Jesus Christ as the Savior or they could reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ as Savior. Those are the two choices they had. They have the same two choices today. That is the only choices they will ever have.
 

ituttut

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Answering OldRegular
Originally posted by ituttut:
This couple of Jewish blood became Christians when they believed the gospel of Paul, which gospel is the gospel of Christ Jesus as given from heaven. It is the gospel of the Grace of God for the Gentile that comes Through faith of, and in Christ Jesus.

ituttut

You keep talking of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as given from heaven.

1. Is that Gospel different than the Gospel which Jesus Christ taught while he was on earth?

Yes

2. Is that Gospel different than the Gospel which Jesus Christ taught to Nicodemus in John 3.3? Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

The Christian faith was unknown at this time, so the Jew in that dispensation had a different gospel to hold them, until they could be reborn.

3. Is that Gospel different than the Gospel which Jesus Christ taught the Samaritans [John 4, particularly 4: 39-42]?

39. And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.
40. So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days.
41. And many more believed because of his own word;
42. And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

Christ had not yet shed His blood, so the gospel was different. They had to endure until the end.


4. Is that Gospel different than the Gospel which Jesus Christ taught in John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

This is not remembered by any until the Holy Spirit had John write his Gospel. Can you find this said and understood before Damascus Road. This was written approximately 35 or so years after the death of Paul, and after the destruction of Jerusalem, and the Temple. This was not made for the understanding of man until Christ spoke to Paul on Damascus Road. John confirms that Christ Jesus did speak to Paul, for this is the message we find in the gospel of Paul, and not before.

5. Is that Gospel different than the Gospel which Jesus Christ taught Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

That gospel then was the gospel of John the Baptist of “repent and be baptized for the remission of sins”. Is that the gospel you are saved under? Then you belong to the wrong church.

6. Is that Gospel different than the Gospel which Jesus Christ taught in the parable of the sower in Luke 8:11-15.

11. Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
12. Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
13. They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
14. And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.
15. But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

Is Jesus talking to you or me? Jesus said He came for His own, and no one else. All the parables are directed to His nation that He created for Himself. They are His people, and we are not of the blood of His people of this earth.

7. Is that Gospel different than the Gospel which Jesus Christ taught the two disciples on the road to Emmaus in Luke 24 13-32.
25. Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26. Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27. And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

ituttut please notice the use of the word believe in the above Scripture.

He wasn’t talking to me. Please read all you reference here. Do you see any Gentile included? We today do not live in “prophecy”.


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Originally posted by ituttut:
Jews had two choices during the time of the Apostles, after Damascus Road.

You finally post something that is true. The Jews could accept the Gospel of Jesus Christ as the Savior or they could reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ as Savior. Those are the two choices they had. They have the same two choices today. That is the only choices they will ever have.

You now sound as if you do believe the gospel of Paul. So then why do you argue against Paul’s gospel of believe on the name of the Lord Jesus and you will be saved?
 

OldRegular

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ituttut

There is no such thing as the gospel of Paul. There is only the Gospel of Jesus Christ. If you only know the gospel of Paul, whatever that is, then spend some time on your knees.

Because Mary gave birth to the man Jesus Christ Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox give her the false title of Mother of God, which is clearly heretical. Calling the Gospel of Jesus Christ the Gospel of Paul or differentiating between that Gospel Jesus Christ taught while on earth from the Gospel revealed to Paul is just as repugnant as calling Mary the Mother of God.

Put in plain words the doctrine of hyper dispensationalism is as near to heresy and blasphemy as one could get. Your veneration of Paul borders on the Roman Catholic doctrine of the veneration of Mary.
 

ituttut

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Originally posted by OldRegular:
ituttut

There is no such thing as the gospel of Paul. There is only the Gospel of Jesus Christ. If you only know the gospel of Paul, whatever that is, then spend some time on your knees.

Please read once more, for I have asked you to do so many times the following - II Peter 3:15. Where did Paul get this wisdom no one else has, this gospel of his? Christ gave it to him to use for Him (Jesus Christ), and Paul was given permission to call it his gospel, just as He gave Moses permission to call it Moses' Law. Jesus called it Moses' Law, and are you now going to say it wasn't Moses', and again refute the Word of God? These emanated from God and He gave them to man.

Because Mary gave birth to the man Jesus Christ Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox give her the false title of Mother of God, which is clearly heretical. Calling the Gospel of Jesus Christ the Gospel of Paul or differentiating between that Gospel Jesus Christ taught while on earth from the Gospel revealed to Paul is just as repugnant as calling Mary the Mother of God.

You’re repeating yourself with airheaded comparisons.

Put in plain words the doctrine of hyper dispensationalism is as near to heresy and blasphemy as one could get. Your veneration of Paul borders on the Roman Catholic doctrine of the veneration of Mary.
Jesus Christ gave me an Apostle, and everybody else on this earth today. You must make up your mind of whom you believe.

Do you believe as the Catholic of “repenting and water salvation for the remission of your sins”, or as the Baptist church of “believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for your salvation Are you then be baptized into a church for fellowship with that church with people believing they were saved by the “Grace of God Through Faith?

Or do you come repenting of sins that have already been forgiven, and then summit yourself to the church for baptism for your salvation, having the church save you? Christian faith, ituttut
 

ituttut

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Originally posted by OldRegular:
Ituttut

You cannot respond without spin, spin, spin!
Can you give an answer? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved -------- OR ======== repent and be baptized for the remission of your sins? Christian faith, ituttut
 

OldRegular

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ituttut

I believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, not the false hyperdispensational gospel.

If you don't believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ you have no right to close your posts as you do.
 

ituttut

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Originally posted by OldRegular:
ituttut

I believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, not the false hyperdispensational gospel.

If you don't believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ you have no right to close your posts as you do.
I also believe the gospel of Jesus Christ that He gave to me. I am hyper for my Lord Jesus Christ.

I close my posts as I do for I do believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ. As always, ituttut with Christian faith.
 
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