Did humans Co existwith the Dinosaurs, and Did Flood wipe them out?

[percho]

I have answered that before.....perhaps not in response to you. Yes, I believe death existed LONG before the event we know as the "fall".

I believe verse two shows that Satan who has the power of death was present on the earth. I believe it also shows that at some point in time maybe even immediately following, In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, that this also at that time took place: 1 Sam 4:21 And she named the child Ichabod, saying, The glory is departed from Israel: because the ark of God was taken, and because of her father in law and her husband.
I say, maybe even immediately, because it is stated that Satan was a liar and murderer from the beginning.

I believe the last of verse 2 and verse 3 is God returning in his glory. The glory of Light. To deal with Satan and death.

 

[saturneptune]

Much more at:

http://www.icr.org/index.php?f_sear...t=any&f_context_any=any&f_context_without=any

OR,

My buddy, I finally got your name figured out. You are Old because that is your footprint in the highly publicized picture of the dinosaur and human print side by side. You are regular because of Metamucil.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

OR,

My buddy, I finally got your name figured out. You are Old because that is your footprint in the highly publicized picture of the dinosaur and human print side by side. You are regular because of Metamucil.

Hey! Don't be talkin' 'bout Metamucil! Nothin' wrong with Metamucil!

:laugh:

 

[quantumfaith]

I believe verse two shows that Satan who has the power of death was present on the earth. I believe it also shows that at some point in time maybe even immediately following, In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, this also at that time took place: 1 Sam 4:21 And she named the child Ichabod, saying, The glory is departed from Israel: because the ark of God was taken, and because of her father in law and her husband.
I say, maybe even immediately, because it is stated that Satan was a liar and murderer from the beginning.

I believe the last of verse 2 and verse 3 is God returning in his glory. The glory of Light. To deal with Satan and death.

I have encountered those ideas before Percho, something similar to the "official" gap theory idea???? I think????

I guess that I am more along the lines of the narrative of creation being somewhat "allegorical" in nature. That its purpose, was to communicate "theological" truth (God Created) rather than a blueprint for "how" God did the creating. I think it possible, the author (an or redactor(s)) of this narrative had this purpose in mind. At least that is the best I can express at this given moment.

 

[Yeshua1]

You did not answer my question. Do you believe in the literal six day account of creation?

yes, as there is no way to interprete theHebrew as written down by Moses in genesis as being any other way than a 24 hr normal day!

 

[Yeshua1]

There are some reputable conservative Bible commentators who believe that the creatures that the KJV (and a few other translations) calls "Behemoth" and "Leviathan" actually refer to creatures that we would call "dinosaurs."

One of these commentators was Henry Morris. Some credit Dr. Morris's writings (most notable among them are The Genesis Flood and his commentary on the book of Genesis entitled The Genesis Record) with the resurgence of the "Young Earth Creationist" (YEC) movement.

There are also many (if not most) prominent educators and technical scientists who have been affiliated with the Institute for Creation Research (which Dr. Morris help to found) that also believe that these two creatures that are mentioned in the Book of Job are also what we'd call dinosaurs today.

One thing that led Dr. Morris to believe that what we'd call dinosaurs did, in fact, co-exist with humans at one time was the discovery of a fossilized rock on which there was a foot print of a very large reptile-like creature over which was the foot print of a human.

The fossilized rock that Dr. Morris included in his The Genesis Flood can be viewed at a Creation Science museum not too far from the Paluxy River in eastern TX. (This is a small river that flows into another river in eastern TX. [It's about 100 miles SE of Dallas, TX.]

Morris claims that this fossilized rock was actually taken from the Paluxy River bed.

The words that are translated here can refer to sea monster, or some other derative, so believe that the main reason some translated it as elephant or hippo was due to preconceived notions that it HAD to be living known animals!

Marco polo recorded down in 1100's on travels to China that they had large lizard creatures penned up, Alexander the Great trrops inindia encountered flying reptiles, and there are almost as many tales of dragons around globe as is for the Flood!

Some might even exist today in remote areas like Congo....

 

[Judith]

yes, as there is no way to interprete theHebrew as written down by Moses in genesis as being any other way than a 24 hr normal day!

On the 5th day He created all the land animals and on the 6th He created man. There is your answer to the first part.

The second part depends on what you mean by dinosaurs.

 

[percho]

I have encountered those ideas before Percho, something similar to the "official" gap theory idea???? I think????

I guess that I am more along the lines of the narrative of creation being somewhat "allegorical" in nature. That its purpose, was to communicate "theological" truth (God Created) rather than a blueprint for "how" God did the creating. I think it possible, the author (an or redactor(s)) of this narrative had this purpose in mind. At least that is the best I can express at this given moment.

I have stated before I am a gapper. However my gap has no reflection on the 6 days of Gen. 1. I believe them to have been six days of twenty four hours each. And I also do not believe the twenty fours of day one had to do with the earth turning on it's axis but God establishing time by dividing himself as twelve hours of Light from twelve hours of the darkness of Satan. Which I believe the night and day of John 11:9,10 should be understood.

I believe what took place between Gen. 1:3 and 1:31 took place to rectify something that was already amiss rather than to rectify something that was going to become amiss.

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8

I believe those works of the devil to have been already present in Genesis 1:2 and continued on in this present world of which Satan is the God of.

 

[SolaSaint]

I believe you are onto something here. One of my hobbies is genealogy, and as of recent I have used ancestry.com. Some of the lines dies out quickly, some I have back into before 1000. It is very striking how many coat of arms have a dragon on it. The flag of Wales is a dragon.

This is very interesting. Google--"Bob Dutko"

 

[TCassidy]

1. Yes.

2. Possibly. They may have died in the flood or they may have experienced a significant die-off prior to the flood.

 

[glazer1972]

And could any still be alive to this day?

NOT counting alligators/crocidiles here!

Yes. No. Yes.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Yes, I believe death existed LONG before the event we know as the "fall".

The last enemy to be destroyed is death......so how could God say it was "very good" if death is an enemy? Genesis 1:31

 

[InTheLight]

The last enemy to be destroyed is death......so how could God say it was "very good" if death is an enemy? Genesis 1:31

Death is an enemy?

Philippians 2:8-9 NIV

And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross! Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,

 

[quantumfaith]

The last enemy to be destroyed is death......so how could God say it was "very good" if death is an enemy? Genesis 1:31

All of creation was good, why cannot the "natural order" of death be good? I assume it was, because it (in my view) was a natural property of creation. We do, in many ways "fear death".... why is that? I simply think entropy and death was a natural property that God placed in the cosmos and humanity from the very beginning. For me, the Tree of Life, an apparent necessity for an indefinite life span, is a big clue, this and our understanding of natural science as well.

 

[Jedi Knight]

All of creation was good, why cannot the "natural order" of death be good?

Is an enemy good?

 

[quantumfaith]

Is an enemy good?

I "think" you are being intentionally and necessarily narrow here.

"There is no greater love than a man lay down his life for his friends"

I think the issue of "death" as you want to bring it up, is a bit more complex than you making it digital in nature.

Here is a good article although I know you will not "like" it.

http://biologos.org/questions/death-before-the-fall

 

[Crabtownboy]

Here is a good article although I know you will not "like" it.

http://biologos.org/questions/death-before-the-fall

Fascinating article. Thanks for giving the link.

We should all have our DNA traced. I just might help bring about some peace between groups ... once we find out that biologically we are all brothers and sisters.

 

[Florida Believer]

Dinoasaurs

Creation research dot org has some very insightful information on some of this. They posit that animals or at least some animals began to start eating meat some time after the curse, but some time before the flood.

For the largest of the meat-eaters, if indeed the T-Rex and others did eat meat before the flood it's possible that the larger varieties of dinosaurs began to die off because of a shortage of food supply due to their need for such large quantities of meat to sustain themselves or perhaps a catastrophe such as an a meteor crash that killed the vast majority of where they were living.

In any case, Noah took "kinds" of animals so it's very possible that the only "kinds" of dinosaurs still alive were not the very dangerous ones and what dinosaurs were left most likely became extinct over time due to a variety of reasons.

"A day is as a Thousand years" has been used to interpret creation as longer than the literal 6 day event, but I'm still not 100% convinced that is the proper interpretation.

 

[Yeshua1]

This is very interesting. Google--"Bob Dutko"

Do you mean the one here in metro detroit, at WMUZ 103.5 on fm dial?

 

[Yeshua1]

1. Yes.

2. Possibly. They may have died in the flood or they may have experienced a significant die-off prior to the flood.

Some have made a very good case fpr a large worldwide ice Age after the Flood, lasting about 700 years, could that have killed them off, if cold blooded?

Could loch ness or in Congo be any survivors?