Did Jesus do away with the Sabbath?

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Originally posted by wopik:
As late as the 80's and 90's of the first century, when the last words of the New Testament were being written, the New Testament church universally observed the seventh day Sabbath.


http://www.abcog.org/ntsab.htm

Yes, and no, Wopik, because the CHURCH by then already had departed from the TRUTH and started to serve strange gods, clearly seen in Justin's pleas for Sunday worship - last half of the first century.

The change from Sabbath to Sunday BEGAN in the Church, and BEGAN, by manipulating the SCRIPTURES, and BEGAN, by 'changing times and law' in changing the day upon which Christ rose from the dead from the Sabbath to Sunday.

If only this of all my posts, keep it it safe and handy, for it explains what is important, FULLY.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Claudia,

If you're still on line NOW, why have you stopped answering my DIRECT references to Scripture in every of the current threads we're on?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

... wopik ... last half of the SECOND century ... of course, sorry!

 

[Michaeneu]

Originally posted by Gerhard Ebersoehn:
The saddest, Michael, is that you modern day 'Yahwists' (Unitarians) don't even believe the Divinity of Jesus Christ, yet insist on the use of the Divine Name the way YOU, say it should look and sound (presumably) because divine.
And the most confusing, is that you so place emphasis on the Law, but maintain you worship Christ - who, according to you - is not God. Would that not be disregarding the Commandment that no other God should be worshipped?

Gerhard, I never made an issue concerning the name—you have! Consequently, if anyone is a legalist here that would be you.

Originally posted by Gerhard Ebersoehn:
It is FAITH, but faith in JESUS CHRIST - no less, no more, exclusively, Jesus Christ!

Insisting that only the one pronunciation of the English language can get one to heaven is exactly in the nature of legalism. The Spanish pronounce the name “hey’ sus” so according to your legalism they aren’t going to get to heaven; that’s legalism.

During the time of the first advent the indigenous people of the Middle East pronounce the name “Ye’ shua” so according to your legalism they aren’t going to get to heaven; that’s legalism.

Your’s is a great deal of the pot calling the kettle black.

Moreover, you owe me an apology for bearing false witness against me by writing that I don’t believe in the Divinity of Yahshua, the only begotten Son of the Father. Since I wholeheartedly believe in the Divinity of Yahshua then you bore false witness and you need to repent.

This is a serious offence and I will not let it go because it reflects upon my reputation and character. I will not allow individuals to falsely accuse me of such notions and I will bring this to the attention of the moderators if you don’t retract your false accusation.

Further, I never made any statement that could be construed that I believe in the works of the law above grace. Your zealousness does not give you license to write things that are not true about people you know little about, Sir.

In Yahshua
Michael

 

[Claudia_T]

Originally posted by Gerhard Ebersoehn:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Claudia_T:
People could also read this about the history of the Sabbath...

Sabbath Observance throughout the Centuries

Without having opened it, yes, a good Unitarian article if the one I had had under scrutiny some time ago. To me it's quite funny how the SDA's and the Unitarians mate up when the Sabbath-issue comes up. Then both find the Jews so exemplary. </font>[/QUOTE]Gerhard,

I didnt even think there was an ARTICLE there?

It is a line of dates and records about people throughout the centuries who have kept the Sabbath

 

[Claudia_T]

Originally posted by Gerhard Ebersoehn:
Claudia,

If you're still on line NOW, why have you stopped answering my DIRECT references to Scripture in every of the current threads we're on?

Gerhard,

I have lost track of everything. You could always just start up a new thread altogether about the Sabbath and ask me whatever you want and I will answer. As long as I can understand what you are trying to say, at least.

Claudia

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Originally posted by Michaeneu:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Gerhard Ebersoehn:
The saddest, Michael, is that you modern day 'Yahwists' (Unitarians) don't even believe the Divinity of Jesus Christ, yet insist on the use of the Divine Name the way YOU, say it should look and sound (presumably) because divine.
And the most confusing, is that you so place emphasis on the Law, but maintain you worship Christ - who, according to you - is not God. Would that not be disregarding the Commandment that no other God should be worshipped?

Gerhard, I never made an issue concerning the name—you have! Consequently, if anyone is a legalist here that would be you.

Originally posted by Gerhard Ebersoehn:
It is FAITH, but faith in JESUS CHRIST - no less, no more, exclusively, Jesus Christ!

Insisting that only the one pronunciation of the English language can get one to heaven is exactly in the nature of legalism. The Spanish pronounce the name “hey’ sus” so according to your legalism they aren’t going to get to heaven; that’s legalism.

During the time of the first advent the indigenous people of the Middle East pronounce the name “Ye’ shua” so according to your legalism they aren’t going to get to heaven; that’s legalism.

Your’s is a great deal of the pot calling the kettle black.

Moreover, you owe me an apology for bearing false witness against me by writing that I don’t believe in the Divinity of Yahshua, the only begotten Son of the Father. Since I wholeheartedly believe in the Divinity of Yahshua then you bore false witness and you need to repent.

This is a serious offence and I will not let it go because it reflects upon my reputation and character. I will not allow individuals to falsely accuse me of such notions and I will bring this to the attention of the moderators if you don’t retract your false accusation.

Further, I never made any statement that could be construed that I believe in the works of the law above grace. Your zealousness does not give you license to write things that are not true about people you know little about, Sir.

In Yahshua
Michael </font>[/QUOTE]My sincerest apologies and asking for forgiveness, unconditionally!

May I explain: There was a time in my life a very dear friend of mine with the most amazing knowledge of the Scriptures - a rolemodel and hero to me - succeeded to bring me into some short-lived enthusiasm for the 'Name'-movement here in SA. Strange, I should have known better, because this wonderful man never believed otherwise than Christ the LORD and God of his life! Nevertheless, he associated with this 'Name'-movement that thoroughly was Unitarian, and I have scarcely known anyone else of them who was not Unitarian. So I -wrongly it now seems- came to associated Unitarianism with people who use the transcribed Hebrew Names of God.
While I was under the spell of this enthusiasm I never fellt comfortable or free in worship, and had to strain at every reference to God or mention of 'The Name', until eventually I was relieved of it. You cannot imagine the freedom and calm that resulted.

So I again ask your pardon, and you are able to serve and worship our Lord Jesus like one saved by him from every fetter, may God be with you therein.

Yet I stand on the principle that it is NO TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW to use the Name of the LORD GOD and JESUS CHRIST in the accepted, and usual way or pronunciation or spelling of it in any language, for that is or would be crass legalism.

 

[Michaeneu]

Originally posted by Gerhard Ebersoehn:
My sincerest apologies and asking for forgiveness, unconditionally!

May I explain: There was a time in my life a very dear friend of mine with the most amazing knowledge of the Scriptures - a rolemodel and hero to me - succeeded to bring me into some short-lived enthusiasm for the 'Name'-movement here in SA. Strange, I should have known better, because this wonderful man never believed otherwise than Christ the LORD and God of his life! Nevertheless, he associated with this 'Name'-movement that thoroughly was Unitarian, and I have scarcely known anyone else of them who was not Unitarian. So I -wrongly it now seems- came to associated Unitarianism with people who use the transcribed Hebrew Names of God.
While I was under the spell of this enthusiasm I never fellt comfortable or free in worship, and had to strain at every reference to God or mention of 'The Name', until eventually I was relieved of it. You cannot imagine the freedom and calm that resulted.

So I again ask your pardon, and you are able to serve and worship our Lord Jesus like one saved by him from every fetter, may God be with you therein.

Yet I stand on the principle that it is NO TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW to use the Name of the LORD GOD and JESUS CHRIST in the accepted, and usual way or pronunciation or spelling of it in any language, for that is or would be crass legalism.

Apology accepted Gerhard, without resentments of any kind. And I believe as you; there is no transgression of the law in using Jesus, for the Creator knows in whom one puts their trust. And not everyone that uses the Hebrew transliterations condescends the use of other translations. Peace to you and yours.

Michael