Did Jesus drink Alchol?

[Bible Student]

Hi all, I have been gone awhile.

This was stated on the first page of this post,

"As has been explained to you by me and others, the reason I don't quote scriture concerning music is because the Bible is silent about it and I refuse to use prooftexts to make a case."

I disagree, the Bible speaks about music through out the Bible.

I know this is off topic but I just wanted to go on record that the Bible does speak about music.

Richard

[ March 15, 2003, 10:32 PM: Message edited by: Bible Student ]

 

[Bible Student]

Ben, you stated "to call Him a priest is incorrect.

Ben W

I would like to jump in on this point also. Jesus was not from the Levites, hence he could not be a priest. To call him a priest is incorrect. The Son of Man is a correct term.

But what about Hebrews 7:23-28?

Verse 26 says "For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separated from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;"

Jesus was the high priest!

Richard

 

[JonathanDT]

Originally posted by HankD:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> But if you use this reasoning, then IMHO, He would not drink wine because it may become a stumblingblock to the one having a problem controling themself, as He did sit amongst the publicans and sinners. Seems to be one more reason why Jesus wouldn't drink alcoholic wine.

Funny you should mention it...

Matthew 11
18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

HankD </font>[/QUOTE]Hi Hank, I like your posts, especially your first one, always nice to add another angle.
I already mentioned Luke 7:33-34, but the abolitionists (for lack of a better word) somehow blew it off. Basically, it really doesn't matter what the Bible says, since it doesn't directly say "Christ drank alcoholic wine" (though it does say basically that in the original Greek, but the Greek doesn't matter, only what's in the KJV) they're going to believe exactly what they always have, it's been ingrained in their thinking.

 

[HankD]

Thanks Jonathan,

HankD

 

[TheOliveBranch]

Originally posted by Bible Student:
Ben, you stated "to call Him a priest is incorrect.

Ben W
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> I would like to jump in on this point also. Jesus was not from the Levites, hence he could not be a priest. To call him a priest is incorrect. The Son of Man is a correct term.

But what about Hebrews 7:23-28?

Verse 26 says "For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separated from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;"

Jesus was the high priest!

Richard

</font>[/QUOTE]Richard, Would you then say that He being the High Priest He had to be always pure and undefiled to come before the Father? Or was He as the OT high priests that were only in this state of purity when they were "on duty", so to say.

 

[TheOliveBranch]

Jonathan,

Do you see the difference between an actual incident and an accusation? I can see some of the Christians on this board that see no problem going into a bar and sipping on one and having sinners saying, see. What a hypocrite, he has no problem getting drunk with the drunkards. Is the accusation true or false?

 

[Mike McK]

Originally posted by Bible Student:
"As has been explained to you by me and others, the reason I don't quote scriture concerning music is because the Bible is silent about it and I refuse to use prooftexts to make a case."

I disagree, the Bible speaks about music through out the Bible.

That was referring to specific styles of music. The Bible does address music, but not specific styles.

 

[HankD]

Hebrews 5
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

Genesis 14
18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine:
and he was the priest of the most high God.

 

[Timmy]

Originally posted by Su Wei:
I beg to differ. I believe that the alcholic content of wine in Bible times was much much lower. COnsider:

Example one:
Isaiah 5:11 Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them!

People had to drink lots and lots and lots of wine (excessively) before they could get drunk.

Example Two:
Acts 2:13-15 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine. But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. (emphasis added)

And this verse makes more sense when we know that you had to drink lots and lots and over some time (like a whole day) in order to get drunk.

Example Three:
John 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

This is the Jesus turns water into wine episode. The people already had alot to drink and they were still sober.

And it would be terrible to think that Jesus would turn drunk people drunker, (or sober people drunk.)! If this were the case, God would not have received any glory and the disciples would not believed on Him.
John 2:11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.

And that would be in contradiction to God's word which He came to fulfill.

Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Proverbs 31:6-7 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.

(IS Jesus saying this to the newly married???

)

My contention is that the strong drink mentioned in the Bible is not the strong drink of today's standards. Not even the "weak" drinks of today's standard.

Our definition of "wine" is not the same as Bible "wine" which was really more like grape juice. "fruit of the vine" doesn't necessarily imply alcholic content.

AMEN! Sis Suwei!

 

[Johnv]

Well, after six pages, I think this horse has been adequately beaten.