• Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Did Jesus ever kill anyone?

Status
Not open for further replies.
J

Joseph_Botwinick

<img src=/532.jpg>Banned
Brother Bob said:
With an intro like this and then say "lets keep it civil" is coming from a mind that did not fully develop.

I will ask one question.

1. Was your God dead while Jesus laid in the tomb, Did your God die on the Cross? It was Jesus in the NT and did you ever know of Jesus killing anyone? When God said "this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" was He talking about Himself or His Son?

I really hope several of those who don't get involved in C/A debates will at least answer these questions. Maybe I am in the wrong place.
Click to expand...

Let me ask you a few questions in order to answer your question:

1. Do you believe Jesus always has been and always will be God? Yes or No?

2. Do you believe that Jesus stopped being God on the cross? Yes or No?

3. Is Jesus a different God than the God of Exodus 12?

Joseph Botwinick
 
B

Brother Bob

New Member
1. Do you believe Jesus always has been and always will be God? Yes or No? I think Christ is but I think Jesus is God in the flesh and was name Jesus when he was born of Mary and never killed anyone.

2. Do you believe that Jesus stopped being God on the cross? Yes or No? I believe again that he was God in the flesh named Jesus for the suffering of death to make a perfect sacrifice I think the
son came down not the Father.

3. Is Jesus a different God than the God of Exodus 12? Jesus has a different makeup in that He is not a Spirit but a body of flesh so as to die. I believe the God you are talking about was sitting on the throne in Heaven while Jesus suffered for our sins.
Click to expand...

Here you are and you make a terrible err. He took a body of flesh made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death. He may of been God inwardly but not outwardly for I do not believe God can die. and no that was not God hanging on the cross.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
B

Brother Bob

New Member
Have you ever heard of the word.. Christophany?
Click to expand...
That was Christ, Jesus was when He took a body of flesh for the suffering of death for our sins and as Jesus He killed no one. You still do err greatly.
 
Gold Dragon

Gold Dragon

Well-Known Member
Joseph_Botwinick said:
1. Do you believe Jesus is, and always has been God?
Click to expand...

I would phrase it as it is in John 1 and say that the Word was God from the beginning.

Joseph_Botwinick said:
2. Did God, in his righteous judgment, ever kill anyone?
Click to expand...

Most definitely.

Joseph_Botwinick said:
3. Do you have a problem referring to Jesus as God?
Click to expand...

Not at all.

Joseph_Botwinick said:
4. Do you think God was justified in killing all those Egyptians and many others?
Click to expand...

Yes.


I would say that Jesus as a distinct person in the Trinity did kill.
I would say that Jesus as God incarnate did not kill.

This is the mystery of the Trinity that we believe by faith.
 
J

Joseph_Botwinick

<img src=/532.jpg>Banned
Brother Bob said:
Here you are and you make a terrible err. He took a body of flesh made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death. He may of been God inwardly but not outwardly for I do not believe God can die. and no that was not God hanging on the cross.
Click to expand...

So, Jesus ceased to be God when he was on the Cross? Is this correct?

Joseph Botwinick
 
J

Joseph_Botwinick

<img src=/532.jpg>Banned
Gold Dragon said:
I would phrase it as it is in John 1 and say that the Word was God from the beginning.



Most definitely.



Not at all.



Yes.


I would say that Jesus as a distinct person in the Trinity did kill.
I would say that Jesus as God incarnate did not kill.

This is the mystery of the Trinity that we believe by faith.
Click to expand...

This is strange...me agreeing with you and all. I better do some more praying.:laugh:

Joseph Botwinick
 
B

Brother Bob

New Member
I would say that Jesus as a distinct person in the Trinity did kill. He was not Jesus in the Trinity in OT. He was Christ or Son of God.
I would say that Jesus as God incarnate did not kill. Amen

This is the mystery of the Trinity that we believe by faith.
Click to expand...

"21": And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
 
L

LeBuick

New Member
Hey all, these are the words of Jesus. What do they mean to you?

Mk 13:32*But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Why, if Jesus is God incarnate would he say there are things he doesn't know?
 
Marcia

Marcia

Active Member
Brother Bob, I'm a little confused by your statements myself.

You do believe that Jesus and Christ are the same, right? The incarnated Jesus was not in the OT but Christ was - he just wasn't incarnated. Is that what you are saying?

And do you believe that Jesus was always fully God while on earth?
 
B

Brother Bob

New Member
Marcia, I believe they are the same but He was not in the flesh until He was called Jesus. You ever see Him called Jesus in the OT?

He was God the Son. How could the Father know the hour the end would come and not the Son. How could all judgement be given unto the Son while He was Jesus. How could he be granted the right to sit down on the right side of the Father.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
J

Joseph_Botwinick

<img src=/532.jpg>Banned
Brother Bob said:
Jesus is God the son.
Answer LeBuick's question that no one knows that hour not even the son but only the Father.
Click to expand...

Is God the Son different from God the Father and God the Holy Spirit? What are the differences and what do you make of the statement where Jesus said that he and the father are one? Are you promoting the idea of three gods? What are you saying?

Joseph Botwinick
 
Marcia

Marcia

Active Member
Brother Bob said:
Marcia, I believe they are the same but He was not in the flesh until He was called Jesus. You ever see Him called Jesus in the OT?
Click to expand...

I didn't say Jesus was called Jesus in the OT - I was confused because of what you said earlier and was just trying to clarify. :wavey:

Do you believe that Jesus was fully God while on earth?
 
J

Joseph_Botwinick

<img src=/532.jpg>Banned
Brother Bob said:
Marcia, I believe they are the same but He was not in the flesh until He was called Jesus. You ever see Him called Jesus in the OT?
Click to expand...

I agree with you here Brother Bob. we did not know him as Jesus until he was in the flesh, but he has always been and was always God.

Joseph Botwinick
 
J

Jarthur001

Active Member
Brother Bob said:
That was Christ, Jesus was when He took a body of flesh for the suffering of death for our sins and as Jesus He killed no one. You still do err greatly.
Click to expand...
wait....are you saying Jesus is not the Christ?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top