Did Jesus ever kill anyone?

[Marcia]

How do you define the word "fully?" and associate this verse into your definition.

Mk 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

By fully, I mean that Jesus never set aside his deity - never. While on earth, he was fully God and fully man.

The verse in Mk 13 is debated, but I, along with others, think that it means that Jesus may have set aside his divine ability to know all things at certain points on earth for certain reasons. To set aside some of his divine abilities does not mean he set aside deity.

Incarnated as a man, Jesus still had many Godlly powers (it states many times he knew what men around him were thinking; he saw Nathaniel under the tree; he knew the woman at the well had been married 5 times and she was not living with her husband; and other incidents), but apparently at the moment when he stated the above, he had set aside that knowledge of that particular event. I believe he does know the time of the above now.

 

[Brother Bob]

Why then did He say "Father Glorify me again as I was when I was with you"? Apparently He could not raise lazareth until He was Glorified. God could of raised him.

I believe He knows that time now too for all power was given unto Him both in Heaven and on Earth.

 

[canadyjd]

You miss the whole point, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. The problem with all of us is trying to put this all in our puny minds as if we had the mind of God.

Well, OK. I really did try to understand what you were saying. I am sorry I couldn't figure it out.

peace to youraying:

 

[LeBuick]

It really dosent matter when Christ was first called Jesus. Jesus Christ is God the same God that is the Father and it has been that way for all eternaty. If my left hand does something (waves goodby) then all of me did it even if it was only my left hand.

:wavey:

Ah, but it does matter. This spirit of Christ could neither die or be nailed to a cross.

 

[canadyjd]

Ah, but it does matter. This spirit of Christ could neither die or be nailed to a cross.

Are you saying the Spirit of Christ (God) left Jesus (the man) when He was nailed to the cross?

peace to youraying:

 

[Brother Bob]

Are you saying the Spirit of Christ (God) left Jesus (the man) when He was nailed to the cross?

peace to youraying:

Jesus gave it up, "Father I commend my Spirit unto thy hands".

 

[Marcia]

Yes, but you fail to see He took on different forms. One as the Father, one as the Son and one as the Holy Ghost.

Uh-oh, Brother Bob, your statement above made my red flag alarm go off! :smilewinkgrin: I need clarification again.

You don't believe God the Father takes on the forms of God the Son and God the HS, do you? You are not saying they are the same Person, are you (as in modalism)? Because that is how the modalists (Oneness) talk -- God takes on "forms."

 

[Brother Bob]

Are you saying the Spirit of Christ (God) left Jesus (the man) when He was nailed to the cross?

peace to youraying:

I misspoke, I meant to say he is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. better?

 

[canadyjd]

Jesus gave it up, "Father I commend my Spirit unto thy hands".

Certainly He meant when He died. He did not "give up the Spirit" until He died. Not when He was nailed to the cross.

peace to youraying:

 

[Brother Bob]

Yes, but you fail to see He took on different forms. One as the Father, one as the Son and one as the Holy Ghost

I misspoke, I meant to say he is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. better?

 

[npetreley]

You don't believe God the Father takes on the forms of God the Son and God the HS, do you? You are not saying they are the same Person, are you (as in modalism)? Because that is how the modalists (Oneness) talk -- God takes on "forms."

Don't worry about it. Right now, he simply believes whatever is necessary to avoid having to apologize for lying. He'll drop out of modalism again once this blows over and he gets away with it.

 

[Brother Bob]

Certainly He meant when He died. He did not "give up the Spirit" until He died. Not when He was nailed to the cross.

He couldn't commend it unto the Father if He didn't have it.

 

[Marcia]

God presents Himself as three seperate personages that are one being.

Jesus and the Father are the same being even if He has the power to be different forms in different places in the same time.

It really dosent matter when Christ was first called Jesus. Jesus Christ is God the same God that is the Father and it has been that way for all eternaty.

Oh, no! This sounds exactly like modalism!

DeeJay, say it ain't so! You do believe in the Trinity, right? One Godhead but 3 distinct (not separate), co-equal, co-eternal Persons.

God the Father is not God the Son - Jesus is not God the Father.

 

[El_Guero]

canadyjd

While this may fit Bob as well, I was asking this of Joseph. I doubt that either of them believe in modelism (sabellianism), but I would like to be sure.

Humbly

Wayne

El_Guero is right Brother Bob. What you are saying here comes very close to modelism. This is "oneness" theology. If you really meant what you said about "God didn't die on the cross", then you have slipped into sabellianism.

I do think I understand what you are trying to say, however. That God the Son did not become "Jesus" until He was incarnate. Jesus, then, as God incarnate, did not kill anyone. I think that point was made early on by someone.

peace to youraying:

 

[Brother Bob]

I misspoke, I meant to say he is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. better?__________________

One God but three distinct parts. Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

canadyjd

While this may fit Bob as well, I was asking this of Joseph. I doubt that either of them believe in modelism (sabellianism), but I would like to be sure.

Humbly

Wayne

I believe that God is three distinct persons and one all at the same time.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[canadyjd]

He couldn't commend it unto the Father if He didn't have it.

I simply don't understand what that statement has to do with what we are speaking of. I never said He didn't have it. I said He didn't give it up until He died. That was what He was speaking of when He said He commended His Spirit unto the Father.

Now, please answer as directly as possible. Do you believe the Spirit of God left Jesus the man on the cross before He died?

peace to youraying:

 

[Marcia]

I misspoke, I meant to say he is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. better?

No, not better! Do you believe that God the Son and God the Father and God the HS are all the same Person?

 

[Brother Bob]

I misspoke, I meant to say he is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. better?__________________

One God but three distinct parts. Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

 

[Marcia]

One God but three distinct parts. Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

It's not 3 distinct "parts," but 3 distinct Persons within the Godhead. Is that what you believe?