Did Jesus ever kill anyone?

[Brother Bob]

Well,

I have to go to bed so I can get up and go to work tommorow. I won't be on hardly at all tommorow, so don't get too carried away with this thread. Bob,

If you do choose to apologize for lying about me and what I said, make sure you PM me a link so that I can make sure and see it. Perhaps, we can restore some mutual respect and friendship as a result. As of right now, however, there is really none left as far as I am concerned.

Good night,

Joseph Botwinick

Have you lost what mind you had Joseph? The apology is due from you to me for coming in and attacking me to start with for comparing John Calvin to God and for saying Jesus killed people. Now You already been put in your box so just stay there. We almost had this thing behind us too and now on His way to bed He throws in another dagger. Jeeprs, Calvinism.

 

[LeBuick]

Be careful not to sound like Jesus and Christ are different - this is taught by a lot of New Agers (particularly Episcopal priest Matthew Fox) who believe that Christ is a "Christ spirit" (i.e., Christ consciousness) that can be taken on or achieved/realized by different beings at various points in history.

They are the same, however, Jesus the flesh was born in Bethleham but Christ has no beginning or should I say is the beginning. Jesus was not only born out of time but he died on the cross and was laid in a grave. Christ did not die and spent the second day in hell.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

What was said is that Jesus killed people with no distinction made. After several attempts to get Joseph to drop it He would not and even today after the other thread was shut down, He started this one and used my name and called me a liar several times to which He has made no acknowledgement at all. So, don't try painting a rosy picture now for Joseph.

Let me say it once again: You are a liar and there will be no friendship between me and a liar. If you should choose to apologize for your lies, let me know and we can be restored.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Brother Bob]

Let me say it once again: You are a liar and there will be no friendship between me and a liar. If you should choose to apologize for your lies, let me know and we can be restored.

Joseph Botwinick__________________

You said everything I said you did. I misspoke and called it murder once but you compared John Calvin to God and said Jesus killed people. You started the trouble and just go away and leave me alone. If you need another lesson though I will be glad to help out.

 

[LeBuick]

Why should I pay close attention to this verse?

Jesus was saying the HS would come after He left. It does not mean that Jesus and the HS cannot exist as the same time. I hope you are not saying that.

When Jesus was baptized, the HS descended "like a dove."

I'm not trying to say anything except look at what Jesus said. Jesus said if "I go not away the comforter will not come." I'm not drawing a conclusion, I just want you to read the word of God.

Jn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

You said everything I said you did. I misspoke and called it murder once but you compared John Calvin to God and said Jesus killed people. You started the trouble and just go away and leave me alone. If you need another lesson though I will be glad to help out.

You have absolutely NOTHING to teach me. The only thing I need or want from you right now is an apology for lying about me.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by Brother Bob
It would be curtains for all Free-Willers and nothing but Calvinist left. Just one big dull happy family. You always have to give Calvin the credit. (They persecuted Calvin as they did Jesus). Never knew Jesus to go around killing people. I will take the rest of your Scriptures on when I get time.

The above it a quote I had made somewhere else and Joseph brought it with Him to jump on me. As you can see the previous statement by a Calvinist said (They persecuted Calvin as they did Jesus), and I replied I never knew Jesus to go around killing people.

Joseph came to where I was posting and posted all of this and said the following which He says in comparison to Calvin having killed

HMMMMMM? Did God ever kill anyone? Do you believe Jesus is God? Or do you, like many liberal theologians such as Spong and Borg discount the parts of the Bible that reveal the God of wrath because it doesn't make us feel good about him?

Now it is plain enough for a 3 year old to see that is comparing John Calvin to God and Jesus!!

Joseph Botwinick
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I quoted more of that statement than I meant to. (admitted he made a mistake here) I was not comparing Calvin with God, but correcting your theological error that you never saw Jesus going around killing anyone.

You will notice in his introduction on this thread that He even changed the above to say Jesus was God when in fact He didn't say that in his post above.


Joseph Botwinick
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Then Joseph started this thread to start on me again and in the following statement he calls me a liar to which I thought was against BB rules. He says I owe him an apology for the truth and here is the proof.

Brother Bob made the statement that he had never seen Jesus go around killing anyone. I corrected his theological error by stating that since Jesus was God, that he had indeed killed many people. I was then accussed of justifying the murders of Calvin by this. This is not true. I argued that God was fully righteous in all his judgments while Calvin was not as a sinner, (not true)

Now, if this thread is shut down I will carry the blame but when Joseph signed off tonight after starting this thread which is a personally attack against me and calling me a liar. He said He was going to bed and if I wanted to apoligize I could pm him which is a deliberate attemp to stir up hard feelings again but I know I will get the blame. As a matter of fact, I guarnatee that some of the Calvinist will post after this blaming me. So that is the story. Joseph is not man enough to admit He made a mistake and I could bring those post here where I asked Him to just drop all of it but He wouldn't and still hasn't.

Even tonight after all this I offered Joseph my hand and put all this behind us but He was interested.

Now, Joseph;
I offer my hand in friendship and put all this behind us. Do you accept?:flower:__________________

Blessings, BBob; And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. (Influence and Decision), amen
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[webdog]

You have absolutely NOTHING to teach me. The only thing I need or want from you right now is an apology for lying about me.

Joseph Botwinick

...you must already know everything, huh?

 

[webdog]

Let me say it once again: You are a liar and there will be no friendship between me and a liar. If you should choose to apologize for your lies, let me know and we can be restored.

Joseph Botwinick

You are a bitter little man, Joseph. Do you think you are above Jesus...a "Friend of Sinners"? If you cannot...or refuse...to remain friendly with another brother...even if they have harmed you in your mind...you need a serious attitude adjustment.

 

[kjv1611]

2 verses

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Have a nice day :wavey:

 

[Brother Bob]

I love you anyway Joseph_Botwinick even though you bear false witness against me.

Matt.05
44: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45: That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46: For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

 

[npetreley]

You said everything I said you did. I misspoke and called it murder once but you compared John Calvin to God and said Jesus killed people. You started the trouble and just go away and leave me alone. If you need another lesson though I will be glad to help out.

Now you're really beginning to get my goat. Misspoke! I'll say. Here's what you posted REPEATEDLY in the other thread.

Joseph Botwinick [sic] Joseph says Jesus is a murder! [sic]

Yeah, you misspoke. Again and again and again and again.

 

[npetreley]

You are a bitter little man

You know what the definition of a bitter little man is? Someone who posted repeatedly "Joseph says Jesus is a murderer" and the best he can say afterward is "I misspoke". That's the definition of someone who's not man enough to pony up to the truth and apologize.

 

[Brother Bob]

copy and paste them on here please npet; where I said murder

 

[webdog]

So you are justifying Joseph's refusal for fellowship? I would much rather defend a man who is sincerely in love with the Lord who either took something the wrong way, or is wrong, than to defend someone with a hateful attitude. Is "mis" speaking the same thing as lying? If you "mispoke", is it justified to be called a liar? I think not.

 

[npetreley]

I copied the quote above from the countless repetitions of your defense, Bob, spelling errors and all.

So you are justifying Joseph's refusal for fellowship? I would much rather defend a man who is sincerely in love with the Lord who either took something the wrong way, or is wrong, than to defend someone with a hateful attitude. Is "mis" speaking the same thing as lying? If you "mispoke", is it justified to be called a liar? I think not.

Well, we think differently. "I misspoke" alone calls for an apology. Here, let me illustrate:

I apologize, Joseph, for claiming that you called Jesus a murderer. You did not call Jesus a murderer, so I can see why you are claiming that I lied. In addition, the word "murder" is a very loaded term, and I apologize for using it. I misspoke when I said that.

What I meant to say was that you called Jesus someone who killed people. I can see that the root of our misunderstanding is that we differ on our opinions of who Jesus is when we refer to the name "Jesus". I consider any reference to Jesus as being Jesus, God incarnate, the God/man who was born and crucified here on earth. You're talking about Jesus, part of the trinity, who shares the responsibility of the entire trinity. I was simply saying that Jesus, when he was here on earth incarnate, did not kill anyone. I understand that what you're saying is that Jesus, being an equal part of the trinity, is just as responsible for killing people in righteous judgement as any other part of the trinity. I also know that Jesus will return in wrath and kill people.

See? Easy as pie, if you have courage and humility.

 

[Brother Bob]

Stated by Joseph as being the acutal post and you will see he started trying to cover his tracks by adding "Jesus was God" so as to be able to say when God drowned the Egyptians.
This is how he starts this thread off.
I corrected his theological error by stating that since Jesus was God, that he had indeed killed many people.



Actual Post of Joseph you will see that Joseph said Jesus and only Jesus going around killing anyone was a theological error on my part.

This is the actual post on the other thread that was shut down.
but correcting your theological error that you never saw Jesus going around killing anyone.

This is where nept; said that Jesus never killed anyone on the thread that was shut down.
Jesus (in the flesh) didn't kill anyone as far as we know,


I never called Joseph a liar for doing this which is obviously saying it different that what it actually was to help his case. Even though I caught it as soon as I read it.

 

[npetreley]

Stated by Joseph as being the acutal post and you will see he started trying to cover his tracks by adding "Jesus was God" so as to be able to say when God drowned the Egyptians.
This is how he starts this thread off.
I corrected his theological error by stating that since Jesus was God, that he had indeed killed many people.



Actual Post of Joseph you will see that Joseph said Jesus and only Jesus going around killing anyone was a theological error on my part.

This is the actual post on the other thread that was shut down.
but correcting your theological error that you never saw Jesus going around killing anyone.

This is where nept; said that Jesus never killed anyone on the thread that was shut down.
Jesus (in the flesh) didn't kill anyone as far as we know,


I never called Joseph a liar for doing this which is obviously saying it different that what it actually was to help his case. Even though I caught it as soon as I read it.

See? Like I said, all it takes is courage and humility. Qualities you obviously lack.

Post # 137 is where you claimed Joseph called Jesus a murder [sic].

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=32364&page=18

 

[pasdave]

All of this is making each one involved seem mighty immature.

 

[rsr]

I apologize for not shutting down this Christological food fight earlier.

If you have personal differences, please settle them elsewhere, not on the open board. And do not