Did Jesus experience "hell Upon the Cross?"

[psalms109:31]

Sabbath is on Saturday and it says it was a day before the Sabbath, now it isn't it is determined by the moon?

So the Sabbath can fall on any day during the 15th day of Nisan or the preparation day?

I will not go against any scripture, so what matters is that He is risen. I will not argue the scriptures. This is all new to me, I have always believe Saturday was the Sabbath. I will talk to my my friend Monday, who is a Messianic Jew.

Mark 15 :
The Burial of Jesus

42 It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath)...

Luke 23 :
54 It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

John 19 :
31 Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath...

 

[percho]

Sabbath is on Saturday and it says it was a day before the Sabbath, now it isn't it is determined by the moon?

So the Sabbath can fall on any day during the 15th day of Nisan or the preparation day?

I will not go against any scripture, so what matters is that He is risen. I will not argue the scriptures. This is all new to me, I have always believe Saturday was the Sabbath. I will talk to my my friend Monday, who is a Messianic Jew.

Mark 15 :
The Burial of Jesus

42 It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath)...

Luke 23 :
54 It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

John 19 :
31 Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath...

Well said. And I do not mean to be argumentative. Let us know what he says.

Thanks

 

[freeatlast]

This is the second time you thrown this accusation at me brother and it does you even less credit this time then it did before!

Clearly the artical is defending a woodenly literal 72 hour view of the entombing of the Lord Jesus Christ, and therefore a Wednesday cruxifiction as I will go on to show at more lenght as you seem to have ignored the first quotation I supplied from it! If nothing else the quotes will demonstrate that I have gone through the artical in its entirety!

The opening statements include this;



and



and



and



So the writer in his opening statements clearly states that a Friday cruxifiction and Sunday resurection is a view based purely on tradition and that any Christian that holds to it foolish and rejecting scripture and the deity of Christ and he goes to say that he will refute the traditional view.

Add his opening remarks to the quote I provided previously, namely;



and on page two it states;



This is what I am responding to, and saying it is wrong, and I have explained why I believe it to be wrong. Now, may I suggest you stop telling me the artical is not defending a wednesday cruxifiction view please so you may disagree with my understanding of the biblical text but you have no case to make against me for misrepresenting the artical as you keep doing. If you think I have misunderstood any of these statements, ie the author is not denying a friday cruxifiction then please show me the error of my understanding.

Until you read the hole article you cannot respond properly.
Until you read the article;
You speak very foolishly. You have not read the article and you claim it wrong by saying what it does not say. The Lord speaks to you about this;
Pro. 18:2
A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.

 

[psalms109:31]

Well said. And I do not mean to be argumentative. Let us know what he says.

Thanks

I wasn't trying to say you are arguing with me, but i don't want to turn it into an argument over the scripture quarreling over words ruins the listener.

The article seems to be saying there is two Sabbath's?

Wednesday...
God's Passover
Jews' "Preparation Day"
Passover Eaten
Jesus Crucified "Between the Evenings"

Thurs...
Passover Sabbath
(The Day of "Passover and Unleavened Bread")
Jesus in Tomb

That the above is a ""special Sabbath""and then the bottom a seventh day Sabbath.

Friday...
Preparation Day of Seventh-Day Sabbath

Saturday...
Seventh-Day Sabbath
Jesus in Tomb

I will let you know what he says after he lets me know

 

[freeatlast]

I wasn't trying to say you are arguing with me, but i don't want to turn it into an argument over the scripture quarreling over words ruins the listener.

The article seems to be saying there is two Sabbath's?





That the above is a ""special Sabbath""and then the bottom a seventh day Sabbath.





I will let you know what he says after he lets me know

There are two Sabbaths in the week in question. While every Saturday was the Sabbath Not every Sabbath was on a Saturday. There is the Sabbath (saturday) and there is also Sabbath days, weeks and even sabbath year. http://www.ldolphin.org/sabbath.html The problem is that most Christians, including Pastors, do not study their bible to know this. The writer of that article is a messianic Jewish scholar.

Look at Luke 6:1,2
And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing [them] in [their] hands.
And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?


Notice it says the second Sabbath. Also it says the Sabbath days not the sabbath.

(Exodus 12:16-17).
And in the first day [there shall be] an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save [that] which every man must eat, that only may be done of you. And ye shall observe [the feast of] unleavened bread; for in this selfsameday have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever"

The point to notice here is this: The 15th day of the 1st month was to be a Holy Day, an annual Sabbath. Not every 15th day of the 1st month was on Saturday.
http://www.rapturechrist.com/twosabbaths.htm

 

[percho]

There are two Sabbaths in the week in question. While every Saturday was the Sabbath Not every Sabbath was on a Saturday. There is the Sabbath (saturday) and there is also Sabbath days, weeks and even sabbath year. http://www.ldolphin.org/sabbath.html The problem is that most Christians, including Pastors, do not study their bible to know this. The writer of that article is a messianic Jewish scholar.

Look at Luke 6:1,2
And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing [them] in [their] hands.
And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?


Notice it says the second Sabbath. Also it says the Sabbath days not the sabbath.

(Exodus 12:16-17).
And in the first day [there shall be] an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save [that] which every man must eat, that only may be done of you. And ye shall observe [the feast of] unleavened bread; for in this selfsameday have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever"

The point to notice here is this: The 15th day of the 1st month was to be a Holy Day, an annual Sabbath. Not every 15th day of the 1st month was on Saturday.
http://www.rapturechrist.com/twosabbaths.htm

Free,

Have you ever wondered why there are two and or three if the weekly sabbath is counted days during the feast of unleavened bread?

You can see my thoughts on that in post 213 of thread, "The Parenthesis Church."

I don't think I have ever seen this addressed before. Why one on the 15th and then another on the 21st?

I also think this is the second after the first of that Luke passage.

 

[freeatlast]

Free,

Have you ever wondered why there are two and or three if the weekly sabbath is counted days during the feast of unleavened bread?

You can see my thoughts on that in post 213 of thread, "The Parenthesis Church."

I don't think I have ever seen this addressed before. Why one on the 15th and then another on the 21st?

I also think this is the second after the first of that Luke passage.

The concept is very difficult because of tradition. The church has lost so much of the early Jewish understanding gotten from the OT that parts of the bible are interpreted incorrectly.

 

[Yeshua1]

The concept is very difficult because of tradition. The church has lost so much of the early Jewish understanding gotten from the OT that parts of the bible are interpreted incorrectly.

care to share what some of those "incorrect views' are?

 

[psalms109:31]

Well said. And I do not mean to be argumentative. Let us know what he says.

Thanks

The way it seems you wouldn't like his answer, especially about the writer of these other Sabbath. To avoid argument i think it is best i do not. He did want the web site and said he will get back to me. I would think if this is a messianic Jewish scholar that this teaching would be in mainstream messianic Jew belief system.

I think that if Jewish would make every holiday a Sabbath, that would differently put a weight most can't carry. If I was a Pharisee or Scribe it would be easy to keep, but regular people who have sheep to care for, fences to mend and work to make a living it would be difficult. To me going beyond the 7th day Sabbath would be adding more than what God ask for.

I think I need to back of this when you have to juggle around Sabbaths to make it work.