Did Jesus have long hair?

[3AngelsMom]

As far as what He 'looked' like Isaiah prophecied:

Isaiah 53: 1. Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?
2. For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

People usually paint Him as this extremely attractive, beautiful person with gleaming skin and peircing eyes.

Isaiah said He wouldn't be 'comely' or beautiful.

God Bless

 

[3AngelsMom]

Originally posted by Nimrod:
Deut 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."

God intended for men and women to look different.
Men should grow beards and have short hair, and women should have long hair (at least shoulder length). None of this unisex look!

From what I have heard, not since the tenth century do you find pictures of Jesus having long hair(Shoulder length or longer). Most likely they wanted to feminize Him.

Who is to say what is a mans garment or a womans garment though? Are pants automatically 'mens' clothing? Are skirts automatically 'womans' clothing.

I am interested to see how you interpret this.

God Bless

 

[Nimrod]

Who is to say

Liberals say that a lot. I'll tell you who says, GOD!

Are skirts automatically 'womans' clothing.

What do you think?
God wants the man and woman to look different. You can never mistake a man for a woman if he wears a beard. You can make mistakes when the male has long hair or the woman has the unisex look. God never intended us to do that.

Look up Deut 22:5 in other commentaries and see what they say. Don't just take my word for it.

From your picture it looks like you need to let your hair grow longer. What will you do. Will you do what you "feel" is right or will you obey God.

 

[Johnv]

Who is to say what is a mans garment or a womans garment though?
Society. Societal norms change.

Are pants automatically 'mens' clothing?
No, just ask any woman who rides a horse.

Are skirts automatically 'womans' clothing.
Anyone heard of Kilts???? It's a skirt worn by men. Hardly a feminine garment, too. What about a sarong? a toga? An academic gown? A Judge's robe? What about our own pastors who wear robes on Sunday mornings??? Are they being feminine???? What about my London Fog full length coat? It looks like a dress, but is hardly feminine.

 

[Wisdom Seeker]

I don't believe that Jesus had long hair because of I Corinthians 11:14.

Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

I'm not a Bible scholar by any means. But, why would God's word say that something like long hair on a man was a shame unto him, if Jesus had long hair?

Laurenda

 

[Nimrod]

Originally posted by Johnv:
Who is to say what is a mans garment or a womans garment though?
Society. Societal norms change.

Does God's norms change?

Originally posted by Johnv:

Are skirts automatically 'womans' clothing.
Anyone heard of Kilts???? It's a skirt worn by men. Hardly a feminine garment, too. What about a sarong? a toga? An academic gown? A Judge's robe? What about our own pastors who wear robes on Sunday mornings??? Are they being feminine???? What about my London Fog full length coat? It looks like a dress, but is hardly feminine.

Well Johnv you can go by what everyone else is doing or you can be obedient to God's WORD. Who said it would be easy to follow God?

 

[Johnv]

Well Johnv you can go by what everyone else is doing or you can be obedient to God's WORD. Who said it would be easy to follow God?

I see no place where the word of God difinitively defines men's and women's styles of clothing, especially extraculturally.

It only infers that men should not dress like women, and vice versa. A man in a kilt is not dressing like a woman. A woman in pants is not dressing like a man.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Wisdom Seeker:
I don't believe that Jesus had long hair because of I Corinthians 11:14... I'm not a Bible scholar by any means. But, why would God's word say that something like long hair on a man was a shame unto him, if Jesus had long hair?

Laurenda

That's what I originally thought, until I did some digging (hence my previous post on the issue). In 1 Corinthians 11:14 the Greek word translated "long hair" is komao which means tresses of hair or locks. It comes from the root word meaning "to take care of" which indicates some kind of preparation to make the hair appear in tresses. Komao appears only three times in the Bible, all in 1Cor 11. The usual word for hair is thrix. I believe that Paul was referring to some pagan practices of fixing the hair and this is what he is condemning for men, although condoning for women.

 

[Nimrod]

Well Johnv I did some research on the word or phrase "long hair". The Greek word is Komao(2863) which is only found twice in the NT, not three as you have said. And as for the meaning, all Greek dictionaries that I have look in said it means "long hair" just like the way the KJV has translated it. It seems most if not all Greek scholars disagree with your translation. By the way, where did you get your information?

 

[Nimrod]

Originally posted by Johnv:
until I did some digging (hence my previous post on the issue). In 1 Corinthians 11:14 the Greek word translated "long hair" is komao which means tresses of hair or locks.

No, it means long hair. Where did you get your information that it means "tresses of hair or locks"? Strong defines it as "have long hair".
Was Strong wrong?

Originally posted by Johnv:
Komao appears only three times in the Bible, all in 1Cor 11. .

Strange, I found it only twice!

Originally posted by Johnv:
The usual word for hair is thrix.

But still Komao still means long hair.

I find your translation offensive, and I would like to know where you came up with your conclusions.

 

[hrhema]

Nimrod:

It has been proven historically that women were the first to have worn a garment shaped like pants. Pants were not created for men originally but women. Women were wearing clothing with legs in Egypt and Babylonia before the Book of Leviticus was ever written.

God had the priest to wear breeches because when they would climb the stairs to make sacrifices the people could see up their robes and many of them were not wearing loin cloths under their robes so their genitals were being exposed.
The rest of the men in Israel wore robes, tunics etc.

Not all countries and nations or islands etc incorporated pants for men. In China women have worn pants for thousands of years. There are islands where the women wear pants and the men skirts. This is what their society dictates.

God wants to distinguish between the sexes. Go to Kmarts and buy a pair of women's pants Nimrod. I dare you to do this. You won't because they are too effeminate.

Don't go there with the long hair on women and women should not cut their hair. You cannot find this taught in the Bible. I Corinthians 11 does not say a woman cannot cut their hair. That is mans interpretation. In the Old Testament when a
Jewish man saw a heathen woman who he considered beautiful and he wanted to take her and marry her God said that she was to pare her nails and shave her head as a symbolism of her submission to him.
Women in many Jewish cities shaved their heads when they became engaged or betrothed so no man would be tempted to rape them or seduce them. They wore wigs.

Now if God allowed the heathen women to cut their hair do you think for a minute he would tell other women it is sin.

This is just the same legalistic garbage that
Holiness churches teach. I spent many a year with those groups until God showed me the errors of my way.

They would take two scriptures in the New Testament and say Paul and Peter said the wearing of jewelry is sin. Why would the God of Heaven speaking of Israel metaphorically had said he would decorate her with all this jewelry such as gold chains, earrings,nose rings, bracelets etc then have two men in the New Testament call it sin. Why would he have told Moses to have the people borrow all the Egyptians jewelry to wear if it was sin. The wearing of jewelry is not sin.

Holiness churches are pharasaical. They want to dominate and control peoples lives.

 

[Nimrod]

Originally posted by hrhema:

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Don't go there with the long hair on women and women should not cut their hair. You cannot find this taught in the Bible.

I never said women can't cut thier hair and neither does the Scriptures, so I really don't understand why you blame me for this??????

Originally posted by hrhema:

I Corinthians 11 does not say a woman cannot cut their hair. That is mans interpretation.

I agree. So far you have this right.

Originally posted by hrhema:
In the Old Testament when a
Jewish man saw a heathen woman who he considered beautiful and he wanted to take her and marry her God said that she was to pare her nails and shave her head as a symbolism of her submission to him.

Do you have a quote from Scripture????

Originally posted by hrhema:

Women in many Jewish cities shaved their heads when they became engaged or betrothed so no man would be tempted to rape them or seduce them. They wore wigs.

Scripture to enforce your claim?

Stay on topic please, the thread is about long hair.

 

[Johnv]

Where did you get your information that it means "tresses of hair or locks"?...I find your translation offensive, and I would like to know where you came up with your conclusions.

Do a google search on "komao" and "thrix" and you'll find that my position is correct.

You're getting offended over greek words for hair??

 

[Nimrod]

Originally posted by Johnv:

Do a google search on "komao" and "thrix" and you'll find that my position is correct.

You're getting offended over greek words for hair??

Thanks for not answering my question. You could have giving me a location on the web, but you choose not.

Nevertheless I did a search, and lo and behold, it mean "long hair"

 

[Johnv]

I dunno what "Strong's" you've been using, but it clearly lists the definition of komao as the wearing of tresses of hair.

www.spiritualabuse.org/hair/intro.htmlwww.spiritualabuse.org
www.elite.net/~ebedyah/PastorsSite/ otherareas/longhair.htm
www.heart4god.8k.com/id252_m.htm
www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvstrongs/STRGRK28.htm
www.613commandments.com/content/Yati/headcoverings.htm
www.regathering.com/Why%20I%20Cover%20My%20Head.doc

 

[His child]

I'm a relative "newbie" to this board. I've been reading through some of the threads, and had planned to get a sense of who's who before I posted. However, the following post from Nimrod pushed too many buttons to allow me to sit back and continue to silently read.

A quick word of introduction. I was raised in a legalistic Christian sect, and have fought long and hard to see the clear picture of God's grace. I now consider myself a non-denominational Christian, and have been meeting with others in a small community church. However, I have also attended a large Baptist church in my town and have enjoyed the fellowship there as well.

A while ago someone asked for examples of doctrines being built around one verse taken alone from the Bible. I understand there are many verses & areas in the Bible that relate to the issues of hair & clothing. Here's what I'm wondering. Nimrod quoted the following verse:

Deut 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."

Okay....so if I take that to mean exactly what is says, as a "for all times" in the future, what about verse 8??

When you build a new house, make a parapet around your roof so that you may not bring the guilt of bloodshed on your house if someone falls from the roof. (NIV)

According to my dictionary, the word parapet means:

a wall, rampart, or elevation of earth or stone to protect soldiers :
2 : a low wall or railing to protect the edge of a platform, roof, or bridge -- called also parapet wall

This to me is the inherrant danger when interpreting the scriptures. As several have mentioned already in this thread, it's very important to know the background & societal norms when reading our Bibles. To take verses at their face value without taking into consideration the context can be misleading. I've found it particularly helpful for me to discern the spirit & intention of the text. Remembering the five "W's" of journalism can be a guide....What, When, Where, Who, Why. It's brought clarity to the scriptures for me.

I apologize for getting off topic & hope I haven't offended anyone. I look forward to reading more of the thoughts of others and perhaps joining in again when moved to do so.

 

[Nimrod]

Originally posted by Johnv:


I dunno what "Strong's" you've been using, but it clearly lists the definition of komao as the wearing of tresses of hair.

www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvstrongs/STRGRK28.htm

This strong's is good it clarifies that it mean "long hair". The Greek Dictionaries I have at home do the same. As for your other links, one doesn't work, another goes nowhere, and the last two are commentaries with one stating it means "long hair".

 

[Nimrod]

Originally posted by His child:
This to me is the inherrant danger when interpreting the scriptures. As several have mentioned already in this thread, it's very important to know the background & societal norms when reading our Bibles. To take verses at their face value without taking into consideration the context can be misleading.

I agree, but there is no unamious agreement on the "background & societal norms" of the Greeks during the times of the Apostles. Why is that?

To put it in another way, your starting with History which you will assume is infallible and interpret Scripture from that. Be very careful with that.

The way I see it, in Deut 22:5 it talks about an "abomination unto the LORD thy God". I don't believe God has changed His mind about this. DO you?

As for verse 8, that might be the law of the land.
For example look at Duet 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

How many false prophets are out there today?
Do I go out there and kill them. No of course not. The same way I treat my house.

What I am saying, there is a difference between a moral law and a civil law and sacramental law. Do you agree there are differences in these laws?
Do you agree that some don't pertain to us today?

This is an interesting topic I would like to discuss more about.

What is your interpretation of Deut 22:5?
What is your interpretation of "long hair" in 1 Cor?

 

[Nimrod]

Originally posted by His child:

I was raised in a legalistic Christian sect

This is not the first time I am being called "legalistic". I don't consider this legalistic because God has given me the power to do it lovingly.

If you do it because you "have to" then it is legalistic.

If you do it because you love the LORD and you want to please Him, thats grace.

Romans 3:31 "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. "

 

[SolaScriptura in 2003]

Jesus did NOT have long hair:

(1) Paul says nature teaches that if a man has long hair it is a disgrace to him. (1 Cor 11) Jesus created nature, and therefore knew this and did not disgrace himself by it.

(2) The only exception to the above was the Nazirite vow of the Jews (if that can properly be called an exception), during which they could not touch dead bodies nor drink grape juice or anything that comes from grapes including wine. Jesus touched dead bodies (i.e. when he raised the dead) and drank grape juice (i.e. when he instituted the communion)

PS: kamao is a VERB and Thayer defines it as "to let the hair grow" hence implying "have long hair" from the fact that your hair gets long if you let it grow. How many times is it found in the Bible? As many times as the KJV of 1 Cor 11 says "have long hair."