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Did Jesus teach Tulip ?
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Good grief NO!!!
Robert Snow
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Good grief NO!!!
I agree. Jesus Christ did not teach false doctrine!
Jesus Christ did not teach false doctrine!
I agree. He taught TULIP and many other truths because He Himself is the TRUTH.
Dr. Walter
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I agree. He taught TULIP and many other truths because He Himself is the TRUTH.
Of course He did not use the acronym TULIP. However, he clearly taught that the Father gave him a certain number to save that did not include all men (Jn. 17:2). He clearly taught that every single one the Father did give him would come to him and not one would be lost (irresistable grace/preservation of the saints - Jn. 6:36-40,44-45; 64-65). He clearly taught the complete depravity of man (Jn. 3:18-20). He clearly taught definite redemption of the elect (Jn. 10:11; 15).
Of course He did not use the acronym TULIP. However, he clearly taught that the Father gave him a certain number to save that did not include all men (Jn. 17:2). He clearly taught that every single one the Father did give him would come to him and not one would be lost (irresistable grace/preservation of the saints - Jn. 6:36-40,44-45; 64-65). He clearly taught the complete depravity of man (Jn. 3:18-20). He clearly taught definite redemption of the elect (Jn. 10:11; 15).
Of course. I was playing along with the mindset of Robert. Jesus taught all of the truths that you fleshed out and much more.
savedbymercy
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Yes, for the Truthes they represnt is the Gospel. Even though I cannot endorse everything this man said, I agree wholeheartedly with Charles Spurgeon assessment of the doctrines of Grace or Tulip
agree. He taught TULIP
Yes, for the Truthes they represnt is the Gospel. Even though I cannot endorse everything this man said, I agree wholeheartedly with Charles Spurgeon assessment of the doctrines of Grace or Tulip
C. H. Spurgeon said, "The old truth that Calvin preached, that Augustine preached, that Paul preached, is the truth that I must preach to-day, or else be false to my conscience and my God. I cannot shape the truth; I know of no such thing as paring off the rough edges of a doctrine. John Knox's gospel is my gospel. That which thundered through Scotland must thunder through England again."
"... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."
savedbymercy
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The Lord taught unconditional election in Jn 6
The Lord Jesus Christ testified to election when He said these words Jn 6:37
37All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.
The word gives in the greek is: Didomi and it means:
to give over to one's care; as A Father gives His daughter to the Bridegroom.
in this verse its used in the present tense which means gives or is giving me. The reason why the Father is giving them to him now in his present, is because He gave them to Him in eternity. They were chosen in Him before the foundation of the world.
Remember how God gave Adam his wife eve, in that He brought her to the man ? Gen 2:22
22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Well, where did the woman come from that God brought to and gave to the man Adam ? She came out of Him, She was in Him all the time, God created her in Him.
The same principle, those the Father was giving to the Son, were those that were in Him, chosen in Him [ Eph 1:4] before the foundation, His chosen bride.
So God the Father draws The Sons chosen bride to Him, and She comes to Him and shall never be cast out, that is put away.
Jesus came with the voice of the bridegroom, for His Chosen Bride Jn 3:29
He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
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The Lord Jesus Christ testified to election when He said these words Jn 6:37
37All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.
The word gives in the greek is: Didomi and it means:
to give over to one's care; as A Father gives His daughter to the Bridegroom.
in this verse its used in the present tense which means gives or is giving me. The reason why the Father is giving them to him now in his present, is because He gave them to Him in eternity. They were chosen in Him before the foundation of the world.
Remember how God gave Adam his wife eve, in that He brought her to the man ? Gen 2:22
22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Well, where did the woman come from that God brought to and gave to the man Adam ? She came out of Him, She was in Him all the time, God created her in Him.
The same principle, those the Father was giving to the Son, were those that were in Him, chosen in Him [ Eph 1:4] before the foundation, His chosen bride.
So God the Father draws The Sons chosen bride to Him, and She comes to Him and shall never be cast out, that is put away.
Jesus came with the voice of the bridegroom, for His Chosen Bride Jn 3:29
He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
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savedbymercy
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Jesus taught limited atonement or redemption !
Also in Jn 6:40 Jesus taught limited or particular redemption, notice vs 40
40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Only those which seeth the Son and believeth on Him are the ones Jesus Christ died for, that is His Fathers will.
Who are those which seeth the Son ?
Those who Jesus came to open their eyes Jn 9:39
39And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
Obviously Jesus did not come to make all see Him, because he plainly states that he came to make some blind, which means confirm them in their natural spiritual blindness they have by nature.
Eph 4:18
Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Jesus in regeneration opens up the eyes of ones understanding Eph 1:18
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
When Jesus says in Jn 6:40 they that seeth the Son, He means not just physically seeing Him but , metaphorically is He speaking:
the eyes of the mind, the faculty of knowing
It is these that He died for, to bring to pass this purpose. So Jesus is saying that He only died for them that truly believe in Him, and that was the Fathers will.
Also in Jn 6:40 Jesus taught limited or particular redemption, notice vs 40
40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Only those which seeth the Son and believeth on Him are the ones Jesus Christ died for, that is His Fathers will.
Who are those which seeth the Son ?
Those who Jesus came to open their eyes Jn 9:39
39And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
Obviously Jesus did not come to make all see Him, because he plainly states that he came to make some blind, which means confirm them in their natural spiritual blindness they have by nature.
Eph 4:18
Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Jesus in regeneration opens up the eyes of ones understanding Eph 1:18
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
When Jesus says in Jn 6:40 they that seeth the Son, He means not just physically seeing Him but , metaphorically is He speaking:
the eyes of the mind, the faculty of knowing
It is these that He died for, to bring to pass this purpose. So Jesus is saying that He only died for them that truly believe in Him, and that was the Fathers will.
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