OK. I have been out all day. Lot a discussion going on here. Some not saying much, but I guess that’s OK, too.
Bbob,
Yes Jesus was a king. But the Scriptures repeatedly indicate that Jesus did drink wine, in contrast to John the Baptist you seem so fond of holding up as an example for us all! Of course John was a Nazarite and did not eat grapes either. Perhaps we should use John as a good reason to prohibit grapes and maybe to insist that Jesus never ate grapes!
Matt 11:18-19 – 18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Luke 7:33-35 –
33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!
35 But wisdom is justified of all her children.
In CONTEXT, John did not eat bread or drink wine. In contrast, the Son of Man did. If John did not drink wine, how can Jesus be saying anything else but that He did?
I would point out the last part of both passages...
WISDOM IS JUSTIFIED OF ALL HER CHILDREN... We have sure seen that here...
SFIC – I just love the way you take a definition by one lexicographer and pull out one obscure portion and make that the essence of so many posts, “Do not have experience with alcoholic beverages.” Can sure make the Bible say what you want that way! Does not matter than other lexicographers do not define rawaw that way, or that it is just a small obscure part of Strong’s def. Nope. What matters is that particular phrase gives just the definition you want. Here are three, notice what a small piece of the puzzle you major argument really is... The rest of us will...
Strongs
H7200
râ?'â?h
raw-aw'
A primitive root; to see, literally or figuratively (in numerous applications, direct and implied, transitively, intransitively and causatively): - advise self, appear, approve, behold, X certainly, consider, discern, (make to) enjoy, have experience, gaze, take heed, X indeed, X joyfully, lo, look (on, one another, one on another, one upon another, out, up, upon), mark, meet, X be near, perceive, present, provide, regard, (have) respect, (fore-, cause to, let) see (-r, -m, one another), shew (self), X sight of others, (e-) spy, stare, X surely, X think, view, visions.
New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance –
H7200
raah (906b); a prim. root; to see: - access (1), advisers *(2), appear (21), appeared (43), appears (4), approve (2), became aware (1), became visible (1), become visible (1), behold (9), choice (1), consider (13), considered (1), display (1), displayed (1), distinguish (1), encountered (1), enjoy (1), enjoy *(3), examined (1), experience (1), exposed (1), face *(2), faced *(2), find (1), gaze (2), give attention (1), gloat (2), heed (1), indeed look (1), keep on looking (1), look (71), looked (59), looked and saw (1), looking (5), looks (11), make an inspection (2), make me see (1), makes an inspection (1), noticed (1), observe (1), observed (5), observing (1), perceive (2), perceived (2), presents (1), provide (3), provided (2), public (1), regard (2), regarded (2), regards (1), remained alive (1), saw (310), search (1), see (410), see as a sees (1), see plainly (1), seeing (5), seemed (1), seen (153), sees (32), select (1), selected (1), show (24), showed (16), shown (18), shows (1), sleep *(1), stare (2), staring (1), supervise (1), surely seen (1), take into consideration (1), take heed (1), tell (1), think (1), understand (1), view (1), vision (1), visit (1), watch (2).
BDB Definition:
1) to see, look at, inspect, perceive, consider
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to see
1a2) to see, perceive
1a3) to see, have vision
1a4) to look at, see, regard, look after, see after, learn about, observe, watch, look upon, look out, find out
1a5) to see, observe, consider, look at, give attention to, discern, distinguish
1a6) to look at, gaze at
1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to appear, present oneself
1b2) to be seen
1b3) to be visible
1c) (Pual) to be seen
1d) (Hiphil)
1d1) to cause to see, show
1d2) to cause to look intently at, behold, cause to gaze at
1e) (Hophal)
1e1) to be caused to see, be shown
1e2) to be exhibited to
1f) (Hithpael) to look at each other, face
