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I certainly believe that Jesus was alive. The question I posed in the OP was whether or not that Jesus actually had any literal blood in his veins when, for example, He ate with His disciples.
PreachTony
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No, I've heard this one before. Some people debate whether or not Christ had any blood in His resurrected body. One part of this belief comes from the time Jesus appear to the apostles and said "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." (Luke 24:39)
Others debate it saying that Jesus told Mary not to touch Him, as He had not yet ascended to the Father, but He later allowed for Thomas to touch Him (though the Bible never states that Thomas actually touched Him). Proponents of this theory say that Jesus had to ascend to the Father to actually offer up His blood.
Personally, I've never put a lot of thought into this idea, but I can see why ktn is asking...
He had a "Resurrected Body" whatever that means. He was able to get into a room where the doors were "closed and locked" John 20:!9
No. In the context of, after the resurrection, blood was not necessary to the life (soul) of the flesh. I added this for I do not think K was asking about every drop of blood but whether or not blood was circulating through his body giving life to the cells.
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Ezek 18:20 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Romans 3:10
Romans 3:10 is why one cannot bear the iniquity for another.
The soul that sins, it, shall die.
Jesus the Christ born of woman, the Son of God: 1 John 4:2,3 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: 1 John 5:6 YLT This one is he who did come through water and blood -- Jesus the Christ, not in the water only, but in the water and the blood; and the Spirit it is that is testifying, because the Spirit is the truth, Jesus came as a living soul, just as the first man Adam had been created.
He was made to be sin for us who knew no sin.
The living soul, Jesus of Nazareth, lived his life without sin. Yet he died the death assigned to the first man Adam. The living soul Jesus, did not die for his own sin; 1 Cor.15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
For the life (soul, nephesh) of the flesh, in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it, the blood, makes an atonement for the soul. Lev, 17:11 I added comers and took out, "is," twice, and "that."
Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
The soul, the being, of Jesus in the blood. Spirit is life. The blood supplies life to the cells. When Jesus commended his spirit into the hands of the Father, he poured out the soul unto death. Jesus was dead and his blood
that contained the spirit of life made an atonement for the soul.
Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. Jesus of Nazareth came as the first man Adam. His soul (life) in the blood.
1 Cor 15:45,46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam, (into spirit making live) was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural;(soul ish, ψυχικόν) and afterward that which is spiritual. -- To date those two verses apply to no man, except the Lord Jesus Christ. Soon, our hope, they will apply to us.
No need for blood for the Father has given him life in himself as the Father has life in himself. John 5:21,26. Father into your hands I commend my spirit.
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This question invites speculation. Does scripture say every drop of blood was drained from Jesus on the cross? Nope
Could Christ's physical regeneration restore all the blood He had lost? Yes. Does scripture tell us it did? Nope
In Revelation, we see a picture of Christ riding a horse, wearing a robe dipped in blood. His blood? It does not say. Not his blood? It does not say.
Speculation is the mother of false doctrine.
Why did he have blood in the first place?
Because without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
Without the soul of the flesh being in the blood,, one could not, give his life, die, through the shedding of his blood in order to destroy him who had the power of the death, that is the devil.
Spirit is life. The blood containing the spirit of life is what makes soul, living. Oxygen to the cells. through the blood.
Because without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
Without the soul of the flesh being in the blood,, one could not, give his life, die, through the shedding of his blood in order to destroy him who had the power of the death, that is the devil.
Spirit is life. The blood containing the spirit of life is what makes soul, living. Oxygen to the cells. through the blood.
Scripture doesn't say. To speculate without any strong evidence either way leads to theological error.
I don't see the point of the question. He died once for all, the volume of blood is irrelevant to the atonement. The question of volume of blood seems to be a misplaced emphasis that detracts from the main point - the Son was obedient to the Father and gave Himself in life and in death so that humankind could have an eternal loving relationship with God if they enter into the death and life of Jesus.
All that being said, the New Testament teaches His body was physically and materially raised from the dead.* He was not a ghost or spirit. He could get in and out of locked rooms, but that doesn't prove much about the resurrection body because scripture has several instances of regular people being moved from one place to another without traveling (for instance, Phillip in Acts 8:39). He was not immediately recognized, but that could have something to do with His body being raised to a different age (some ancient Christian traditions have said we will all be raised to look like we did when we were 30) or more likely, that His face and hands did not have the sun damage and calluses that He likely had prior to His death on the cross. Of course, that's speculation, so don't put much stock in it.
* I have a friend who is being ordained into a liberal mainstream denomination today (he feels called to serve there as a pastor) and at the ordination council last month, the questioners were very confused over his insistance that he actually believes that Jesus was/is Divine and that Jesus was physically and materially raised from the dead. It created quite a controversy, but an hour or so after the ordination council discussed his case behind closed doors, he was informed that they eventually decided to ordain him because they would have a hard time explaining that they could not ordain him because he was "too Christian." He is going to serve a church in a few weeks where members don't necessarily believe in God or think that He is completely distant from His creation. He believes that God is calling him to model a vibrant and authentic Christian faith before the congregation to lead them to understand that God is real and that Jesus can be trusted.
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He didn't need the life force of oxygenated blood:
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
So, IMO - no - His blood was not necessary for Him to be alive. He was alive by the Spirit.
HankD
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Most if not all the blood is drained from embalmed bodies. Will their resurrection bodies contain blood? What about the bodies of those cremated? Does it really make any difference. Scripture states that our resurrected bodies are Spiritual bodies. Scripture also tells us:
Philippians 3:21. Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
And if Christ be not raised, your faith vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 1 Cor 15:17,18
If Christ isn't given some kind of life, his blood did not wash away our sins.
Adam was created, a living soul. A natural (ψυχικός soul ish) being. Like this: Lev 17:11 For the life (soul, נֶפֶשׁ nephesh) of the flesh is in the blood:
Adam was the figure of him to come Rom 5:14, the Christ, the Son of the living God.
The Son of God came in the flesh, his soul, (life) being in his blood. John 1:14 plus many other verses.
Jesus had to be raised from the dead with life, being other than in his blood, in order for his blood to wash away our sins. 1 Cor 15:17 the rest of Lev. 17:11 I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it, the blood, maketh an atonement for the soul.
Yet without life, (generation) that blood would not have washed away our sin.1 Cor 15:17
Regeneration of the once living soul Jesus, was necessary for the soul of the flesh in his blood, to wash away our sins.
1 Cor 15:45,45 is presently speaking of Jesus the Son of the living God and him only for he is currently the only one born of woman to have experienced it.
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that, not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; (soul ish) and afterward that which is spiritual.
Our salvation is wrought, our sins washed away in his blood, through his regeneration. Titus 3:5 is what happened to Jesus by which we will be able to inherit eternal life. Enter the kingdom of God.
Look at this verse relative to 1 Cor 15:17
Rev. 1:5 NKJV and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed fn us from our sins in His own blood,
fn NU-Text reads loves us and freed; M-Text reads loves us and washed.
Note being the firstborn from the dead brings about the washing, freeing, us from our sins.
This what HankD wrote is correct:
He didn't need the life force of oxygenated blood:
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
So, IMO - no - His blood was not necessary for Him to be alive. He was alive by the Spirit.
HankD
If Christ isn't given some kind of life, his blood did not wash away our sins.
Adam was created, a living soul. A natural (ψυχικός soul ish) being. Like this: Lev 17:11 For the life (soul, נֶפֶשׁ nephesh) of the flesh is in the blood:
Adam was the figure of him to come Rom 5:14, the Christ, the Son of the living God.
The Son of God came in the flesh, his soul, (life) being in his blood. John 1:14 plus many other verses.
Jesus had to be raised from the dead with life, being other than in his blood, in order for his blood to wash away our sins. 1 Cor 15:17 the rest of Lev. 17:11 I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it, the blood, maketh an atonement for the soul.
Yet without life, (generation) that blood would not have washed away our sin.1 Cor 15:17
Regeneration of the once living soul Jesus, was necessary for the soul of the flesh in his blood, to wash away our sins.
1 Cor 15:45,45 is presently speaking of Jesus the Son of the living God and him only for he is currently the only one born of woman to have experienced it.
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that, not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; (soul ish) and afterward that which is spiritual.
Our salvation is wrought, our sins washed away in his blood, through his regeneration. Titus 3:5 is what happened to Jesus by which we will be able to inherit eternal life. Enter the kingdom of God.
Look at this verse relative to 1 Cor 15:17
Rev. 1:5 NKJV and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed fn us from our sins in His own blood,
fn NU-Text reads loves us and freed; M-Text reads loves us and washed.
Note being the firstborn from the dead brings about the washing, freeing, us from our sins.
This what HankD wrote is correct:
He didn't need the life force of oxygenated blood:
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
So, IMO - no - His blood was not necessary for Him to be alive. He was alive by the Spirit.
HankD
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One more thought.
The Son, speaks to us, for God, the Father of the Son, I assume, see Hebrews 1:1,2
Jesus is, the prophet of God the Father, and Jesus made this statement;
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; John 5:26
Did Jesus at that moment have life in himself, or did Lev. 17:11 For the life of the flesh, in the blood:, apply to him.
Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead; ) Gal 1:1
For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth John 5:21
Is that when the Father gave to the Son, to have life in himself?
Life (soul), raised from Hades, that was not in the blood, incorruptible, neither did his flesh see corruption.
Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Verse 32 This Jesus hath God (the Father?) raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Was the resurrection, regeneration, Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Verse 33 YLT at the right hand then of God having been exalted -- also the promise of the Holy Spirit having received from the Father
Was Jesus regenerated and renewed with Holy Spirit?
The Son, speaks to us, for God, the Father of the Son, I assume, see Hebrews 1:1,2
Jesus is, the prophet of God the Father, and Jesus made this statement;
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; John 5:26
Did Jesus at that moment have life in himself, or did Lev. 17:11 For the life of the flesh, in the blood:, apply to him.
Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead; ) Gal 1:1
For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth John 5:21
Is that when the Father gave to the Son, to have life in himself?
Life (soul), raised from Hades, that was not in the blood, incorruptible, neither did his flesh see corruption.
Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Verse 32 This Jesus hath God (the Father?) raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Was the resurrection, regeneration, Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Verse 33 YLT at the right hand then of God having been exalted -- also the promise of the Holy Spirit having received from the Father
Was Jesus regenerated and renewed with Holy Spirit?