Did Mike Pence do the correct thing?

[Salty]

and your thoughts

 

[canadyjd]

He followed the constitution. The only constitutional way for him to be involved was if enough state legislatures refused to certify the election results and neither candidate got 269 electors. The constitution has guidance for such an event.

If he would have attempted, and succeeded, in throwing out the results and establishing Trump as pres the very essence of this country (the peaceful transfer of power according to our election results) would have been forever destroyed.

I don’t think this nation would have survived.

peace to you

 

[Reynolds]

and your thoughts

It was his job to ipen and certify electoral results.
I guess the question is does certify mean he should rubber stamp fraud or does it mean he is supposed to make sure what he certified is legitimate.
I used to have to certify the inventory of the evidence room at the task force. Did that mean it was my job to sign off on the inventory report put on my desk, or did it mean it was my job to make sure it was correct? Though unstated, I knew it was my job to make sure it was correct. If I had no power to audit what I was going to certify, what was the point of certification? Enough signatures on an error suddenly make it a non-error? You don't certify, nor do you submit for certification, something you have reason to believe is incorrect.

 

[just-want-peace]

He followed the constitution. The only constitutional way for him to be involved was if enough state legislatures refused to certify the election results and neither candidate got 269 electors. The constitution has guidance for such an event.

If he would have attempted, and succeeded, in throwing out the results and establishing Trump as pres the very essence of this country (the peaceful transfer of power according to our election results) would have been forever destroyed.

I don’t think this nation would have survived.

peace to you

Do you think it will survive now?? Serious question, not rhetorical OR sarcastic.

My feelings are that the best we can hope for is - depending on this coming election - at most a few more years of some similance of freedom!

Would love to be proven wrong, but I’m afraid the corruption is too deeply embedded to be surgically removed w/o killing the patient by now!!

 

[Reynolds]

Do you think it will survive now?? Serious question, not rhetorical OR sarcastic.

My feelings are that the best we can hope for is - depending on this coming election - at most a few more years of some similance of freedom!

Would love to be proven wrong, but I’m afraid the corruption is too deeply embedded to be surgically removed w/o killing the patient by now!!

I agree with you. The moment is soon approaching for which the founders put 2A in COTUS for.

 

[canadyjd]

Do you think it will survive now?? Serious question, not rhetorical OR sarcastic.

My feelings are that the best we can hope for is - depending on this coming election - at most a few more years of some similance of freedom!

Would love to be proven wrong, but I’m afraid the corruption is too deeply embedded to be surgically removed w/o killing the patient by now!!

Yes, the country will survive. I see people across the nation becoming more aware and politically involved.

The 2022 mid-terms will be a big statement. You already see libs running to the right, trying to avoid the coming wave.

The question will be, how much corruption is still present in the repub party and deep state?

I just saw a report from Durham that directly links a tech company with spying on Trump before and after his election, even while he was in the WH, and linked to Hilary.

We may see Justice yet.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

It was his job to ipen and certify electoral results.
I guess the question is does certify mean he should rubber stamp fraud or does it mean he is supposed to make sure what he certified is legitimate.
I used to have to certify the inventory of the evidence room at the task force. Did that mean it was my job to sign off on the inventory report put on my desk, or did it mean it was my job to make sure it was correct? Though unstated, I knew it was my job to make sure it was correct. If I had no power to audit what I was going to certify, what was the point of certification? Enough signatures on an error suddenly make it a non-error? You don't certify, nor do you submit for certification, something you have reason to believe is incorrect.

I appreciate your experience, but processing evidence isn’t the same as processing electoral votes.

The constitution doesn’t give specific instructions for processing evidence.

It is the job of the State Legislatures to make sure the vote count is “correct”. They gave their approval and certified their elections were “correct” and sent electors to congress.

At that point, the VP role is ceremonial. Call it a “rubber stamp”, if you like. The truth is Pence had no authority under the constitution to throw out the results.

As much as I like Trump, his attempt to pressure Pence to violate the constitution, throw out duly appointed electors, and declare him the victor, was misguided at best and dangerous for the country at worst.

peace to you

 

[Salty]

It was his job to ipen and certify electoral results.
I guess the question is does certify mean he should rubber stamp fraud or does it mean he is supposed to make sure what he certified is legitimate. ...

When I looked at my COTUS - it is the State/Commonwealth that certifies the results - the only job of the President of the Senate (aka the Veep) is to open the sealed results. --- Unless you are reading a different Constitution.

 

[Reynolds]

When I looked at my COTUS - it is the State/Commonwealth that certifies the results - the only job of the President of the Senate (aka the Veep) is to open the sealed results. --- Unless you are reading a different Constitution.

The legal mechanism by which he could have forced legislative certification at state level is laid out in Ellis memos. Constitutional scholars are divided on the legality but almost universally agree it would have sent the election to SCOTUS to decide.

 

[Reformed1689]

The legal mechanism by which he could have forced legislative certification at state level is laid out in Ellis memos. Constitutional scholars are divided on the legality but almost universally agree it would have sent the election to SCOTUS to decide.

The Ellis memos are not based on Constitutional Law. There is no mechanism for what they proposed. All Pence could do is open and count the certified results. Pence is not the one that failed the country, the state legislatures are responsible for this atrocious administration currently in office.

 

[just-want-peace]

Hey, at least we haven’t seen any “mean tweets” lately!!!!!!!!

 

[Reynolds]

The Ellis memos are not based on Constitutional Law. There is no mechanism for what they proposed. All Pence could do is open and count the certified results. Pence is not the one that failed the country, the state legislatures are responsible for this atrocious administration currently in office.

If Pence refused to open the results from contested states, the only resolution would be SCOTUS.
Republicans controlled the Senate. Nothing Dems could have procedurally done to force him to open ballots.

 

[Reformed1689]

If Pence refused to open the results from contested states, the only resolution would be SCOTUS.
Republicans controlled the Senate. Nothing Dems could have procedurally done to force him to open ballots.

The CONSTITUTION compelled Pence to open the ballots. To suggest he not open them is ridiculous. Here is what the Constitution states:

And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted.

If Pence were to not open them he would have violated his constitutional duty and oath. However, since he is a man of integrity, he did his job.

 

[Reynolds]

The CONSTITUTION compelled Pence to open the ballots. To suggest he not open them is ridiculous. Here is what the Constitution states:

And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted.

If Pence were to not open them he would have violated his constitutional duty and oath. However, since he is a man of integrity, he did his job.

(snip) He could have stopped the (results) but instead, he cowered to the deep state.
Like most RINOS, too cowardly to fight.

 

[Reformed1689]

He is a cowardly Scum Bag. He could have stopped the steal but instead, he cowered to the deep state.

No, legally he could not have.

 

[Reformed1689]

He is a cowardly Scum Bag. He could have stopped the steal but instead, he cowered to the deep state.
Like most RINOS, too cowardly to fight.

How, ACCORDING TO THE CONSTITUTION, could he have stopped it? Please show me the mechanism in the Constitution. Not some half-rate lawyer's opinion.

 

[Salty]

IMHO --= sore looser
Yet the only thing more ridiculous -
Biden wins the election - but is demanding voter reform!

 

[Reynolds]

The CONSTITUTION compelled Pence to open the ballots. To suggest he not open them is ridiculous. Here is what the Constitution states:

And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted.

If Pence were to not open them he would have violated his constitutional duty and oath. However, since he is a man of integrity, he did his job.

He is a cowardly Scum Bag. He could have stopped the steal but instead, he cower

No, legally he could not have.

Yes He could have. No one could have stopped him. He could have sent election to SCOTUS.

 

[Reynolds]

IMHO --= sore looser
Yet the only thing more ridiculous -
Biden wins the election - but is demanding voter reform!

Biden stole the election

 

[Reformed1689]

Yes He could have. No one could have stopped him. He could have sent election to SCOTUS.

On what constitutional authority?