Did the Millinium start at Ascension of jesus?

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Jesus Christ also promised

John 16:33, KJV These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Acts 14:22, KJV Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Romans 8:35, KJV Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

Romans 12:12, KJV Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

2 Corinthians 1:4, KJV Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.

Revelation 1:9, KJV I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 7:14, KJV And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

I realize you will say that the Church is gone in Revelation 7:14 but you are entitled to be wrong. that is simply another dispensational error. jesus christ tells us in John 5:28, 29 that there is one general resurrection of all the dead.

Furthermore, how do you justify applying Revelation 3:10 to the all Christians?

Revelation 3:10 says to those who overcome.

Lets see what scripture says about believers:

1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

Rev. 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Rev. 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

What is God's Patience?

1 Thessaloninas 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;


2 Thessalonians 1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

3:5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.

2 Peter 3:The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


god patiently waits on the sinner to come to repentence. Those who come to repentence are ovecomers and those who keep the patience of Christ will be kept from the time of trouble that is to come on the earth.

Rev. 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev. 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

All are promises to the church for revelation 2 and 3 were written to the Church in the form of the 7 churches in Asia minor. Here we see the book of 7's when God perfects or completes His Spiritual work for all mankind and His church.

 

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Exactly, and astronomy shows that a solar eclipse and a "blood moon" occurred on April 3, A.D. 33. The sun was darkened and the moon was turned to blood "before the great and terrible day of the Lord" (Pentecost). This was fulfilled, then "the day of the Lord" came with signs and wonders of His power.

Indeed "THIS IS THAT." The New Covenant was initiated "in His blood."

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze 36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

I believe this was all initiated at Pentecost. "THIS IS THAT!" Jews from all around were gathered in Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover. At this time, even under Roman bondage, the Jews were "in the land." God then initiated the New Covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah which were combined at this time. God "poured out His spirit on all flesh" (starting with Israel, then Samaritans, then Gentiles). The New Covenant is different from the Old Covenant in that it is not ordinances on tablets of stone, but rather having "the law" written on our hearts and having the Spirit of God in us. Also, as a Baptist, I believe that Jeremiah 31:34 reflects the difference in the constituents of the New Covenant vs. the Old. In the Old Covenant members were initiated by physical birth and circumcision (mixed regenerates and unregenerates). In the New Covenant, members are initiate by spiritual birth and "circumcision of the heart" (only regenerates). In the New Covenant "all shall know Me from the least to the greatest" and because of the final sacrifice of Christ "I will forgive their iniquities and remember their sins no more."

Paul also quotes Joel 2:32 in Romans 10:13! According to Peter AND Paul, Joel 2 is fulfilled.

The New Covenant was initiated at Pentecost literally with Israel. It then expanded to Gentiles according to Old Testament prophecy, which Paul quotes vociferously in Romans 9-11. To claim that all this is a "parenthesis" that is "not the subject of prophecy" is breathtaking, indeed!

2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Co 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
2Co 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

Paul and his apostleship to the Gentiles was an extension and fulfillment of New Covenant prophecy. The "mysteries" that Paul mention are not descriptive of a separate "program," but rather "the mysteries of the kingdom of God."

Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

1Co 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

Just because Paul mentions "mysteries" doesn't mean that Paul's entire ministry to the Gentiles has to be distinct from anything in prophecy. It just means that some of the fulfillments of prophecy some about in ways that were either unclear or untold in prophecy. Paul is clear in quoting prophecy that the salvation of the Gentiles under his ministry was prophesied. The "mysteries" are in how this is done, such as "blindness in part" of physical Israel and the "grafting in" of Gentiles into the olive tree of Israel. The "mystery" that "the Gentiles should be fellow heirs and of the same body" does not mean a new, ontologically distinct body from Israel, but that the same body is pruned, refashioned, and expanded under the auspices of the New Covenant so that Jew and Gentile are equal in the new "Israel of God." It is the same olive tree (which is Israel according to Jeremiah 11:16).

:applause::applause: Well said,and scriptural.....
Some have seen the reference to sun moon and stars.....as a change of government administration.....


1.Genesis 37:9
And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.

2.Deuteronomy 4:19
And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

3.Psalm 148:3
Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.

4.Isaiah 13:10
For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

5.Jeremiah 31:35
Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

6.Ezekiel 32:7
And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.

7.Joel 2:10
The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

8.Joel 3:15
The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

9.Matthew 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
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10.Luke 21:25
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

11.1 Corinthians 15:41
There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

12.Revelation 8:12
And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

13.Revelation 12:1
And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars