Did the RCC ever change Trent as pegards to Protestants NOT getting saved?

[DaChaser1]

I'm going to have to disagree with you. Based on scripture and 2000 years of history. Jesus' bride/body is his Church which Ignatius is recorded as calling Catholic in 100 AD. The Church Temporally and eternally is the Kingdom that Jesus established. And Catholics are saved by Grace and a few of the other denominations who obey Jesus Christ will be saved by Grace that Christ gives through his Church. Ie Protestants wouldn't even have faith in Jesus Christ if not for the Catholic Church preserving the faith and the scriptures for 1500 years.

God grants the saving faith by his own intiative, NOT mediated through the RCC!

church again of Gos is the Body of Christ, those who have been saved, NOT the RCC, or any other earth bound/based organization!

Eraly church was NOT what we call today as the RCC, that which is called RCC was Apostated of from the groups that taught true Christianity!

The Lord revelaed the doctrines of faith/salvation to the reformers from his word, so even IF RCC was not around, would have still had that restablished in church!

 

[Thinkingstuff]

God grants the saving faith by his own intiative, NOT mediated through the RCC!

church again of Gos is the Body of Christ, those who have been saved, NOT the RCC, or any other earth bound/based organization!

Eraly church was NOT what we call today as the RCC, that which is called RCC was Apostated of from the groups that taught true Christianity!

The Lord revelaed the doctrines of faith/salvation to the reformers from his word, so even IF RCC was not around, would have still had that restablished in church!

We are just going to have to agree to disagree. The Early Church is indeed the current day Catholic Church and it has always been true Christianity.

 

[billwald]

>God grants the saving faith by his own intiative, NOT mediated through the RCC!

You REALLY believe that? Or does the person first have to accept an offer of salvation?

 

[Walter]

We are just going to have to agree to disagree. The Early Church is indeed the current day Catholic Church and it has always been true Christianity.

The more I study the Early Church, the clearer it gets that it was the Catholic Church. The evidence is overwhelming.

 

[DaChaser1]

The more I study the Early Church, the clearer it gets that it was the Catholic Church. The evidence is overwhelming.

So you would hold that an Apostate christian faith, that denies the cardinal truths of salvation would be the true church on christ on earth?

 

[DaChaser1]

>God grants the saving faith by his own intiative, NOT mediated through the RCC!

You REALLY believe that? Or does the person first have to accept an offer of salvation?

God has to enable the person before they can accept the person and work of Christ, as we are born spiritual blinded to pacing faith in jesus ina saving fashion!

 

[DaChaser1]

We are just going to have to agree to disagree. The Early Church is indeed the current day Catholic Church and it has always been true Christianity.

Some baptists claim the Apsotolic church was first baptist church!

Again, jesus true church NOT one teaching a false Gospel!

 

[Matt Black]

So you would hold that an Apostate christian faith, that denies the cardinal truths of salvation would be the true church on christ on earth?

No, because - news flash - it isn't apostate

 

[Michael Wrenn]

The more I study the Early Church, the clearer it gets that it was the Catholic Church. The evidence is overwhelming.

I don't see how anyone can read the New Testament and conclude that these churches had any of the characteristics of what would evolve into the hierarchical, superstition-laden, political and spiritual amalgamation known as the RCC.

There is evidence for a "catholic" church, but not the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Some baptists claim the Apsotolic church was first baptist church!

Again, jesus true church NOT one teaching a false Gospel!

Do you need to use words like apostate to describe Catholics JF? Really! As a side note, the RCC is the largest growing Church today in the USA. Coming to a fellow Christian who is also Catholic with those type of words will only turn them off & then you will never achieve a meaningful dialog with them.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

Do you need to use words like apostate to describe Catholics JF? Really! As a side note, the RCC is the largest growing Church today in the USA. Coming to a fellow Christian who is also Catholic with those type of words will only turn them off & then you will never achieve a meaningful dialog with them.

I agree. I think they are seriously wrong on some issues, particularly polity and sacraments, but I wouldn't say apostate. The RC's are standing in the gap for traditional morality; we should stand with them. And they do hold to the Apostles and Nicene Creeds, so I don't see how they could be considered apostate.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

We are just going to have to agree to disagree. The Early Church is indeed the current day Catholic Church and it has always been true Christianity.

Perhaps it would behoove you to describe in detail just what "true Christianity" is TH & then fit it to the tenants & doctrines of the RCC. That way you would provoke a dialog that could debate your claims.

After 32 years of operating under that organization, I believe I have some knowledge of the doctrines & would love to debate their charter.

 

[DaChaser1]

Do you need to use words like apostate to describe Catholics JF? Really! As a side note, the RCC is the largest growing Church today in the USA. Coming to a fellow Christian who is also Catholic with those type of words will only turn them off & then you will never achieve a meaningful dialog with them.

Apostle paul had no trouble using that term to describe those who had come into early Church like wolves and spread false teaching, as per Jude/peter, even denying the Lord that gave his life to save us!

again, the RCC itself as an organization is indeed Apostate, as deny the true Gospel of Christ... extra biblical sources/apostolic succession etc..

more mormon than NT!

individuals catholics can and are saved there, its due to the election and grca eof God, in spite of false teachings!

IF saved by God, come ye out and be seperate from among them!