jesus is the HIGH PRIEST that intercedes on behalf of his saints, the Holy Spirit interceds for us, helping us to pray to the father...
WHY need mary, we have 2 persons of the Godhead directly helping/assisting us!
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Did the Virgin mary REALLY Appear At fatima?
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jesus is the HIGH PRIEST that intercedes on behalf of his saints, the Holy Spirit interceds for us, helping us to pray to the father...
WHY need mary, we have 2 persons of the Godhead directly helping/assisting us!
OH BOY.... have you hit on it big time. They are using Mary to do the job of the Holy Spirit thus disrupting the unity & harmony of the Trinity. :thumbs:
The problem is Jesus is sitting at the right hand of The Father. Jesus' blood is on the altar in front of them. His body is not still hanging on a tree. We need not eat his body and drink his blood daily/weekly for salvation. In fact the whole concept of transubstantiation is either orthodox or an abomination. If orthodox, only the RCC is authorized. It is possible to be uniquely wrong.
The real question is: Where do apparitions come from? Calling people back from the dead(necromancy) was punishable by death in the OT. We are not supposed to be into seances, familiar spirits, and such.
Jesus is The Way, The Truth and The Life, no gets to the Father except through HIM.
He needs no help.
Peace,
Bro. James
The real question is: Where do apparitions come from? Calling people back from the dead(necromancy) was punishable by death in the OT. We are not supposed to be into seances, familiar spirits, and such.
Jesus is The Way, The Truth and The Life, no gets to the Father except through HIM.
He needs no help.
Peace,
Bro. James
Mary co- redeemer
1. Mary is co-redemptrix with Jesus. She participates in people's redemption.
As previously posted above
According to the catholic church and eastern orthodox all baptized Christians including Mary are co-redemeers in Christ by our whiteness and living example. Also acording to this tradition people in heaven have enternal life in heaven and can pray for us.
Mary is "thekos" or Mother of God and has the most graces available to ask God on our behalf our needs.
I study all denominations With a focus on early Christianity.
1. Mary is co-redemptrix with Jesus. She participates in people's redemption.
As previously posted above
According to the catholic church and eastern orthodox all baptized Christians including Mary are co-redemeers in Christ by our whiteness and living example. Also acording to this tradition people in heaven have enternal life in heaven and can pray for us.
Mary is "thekos" or Mother of God and has the most graces available to ask God on our behalf our needs.
I study all denominations With a focus on early Christianity.
WestminsterMan
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St. Francis said: 'Preach the Gospel, if necessary use words.'
DHK simply does not understand what 'co-redemptrix' means. I believe that is what Westminsterman is referring to. DHK needs to understand also that the Church does not teach (never has and never will) that Mary as Co-redemptrix is equal to Christ. “Co” is from the Latin “cum,“ meaning “with”. “Trix” is a feminine suffix, so the word means “the woman with the redeemer”---the woman with the One (Jesus) doing the act of redemption.
Eve participated in the fall by her consent and pride. Mary, though cooperated with the redemption of man by her consent and humility as handmaid of the Lord. She gave Jesus his body, and his body is what saved us.
WestminsterMan
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While all of this vitriol directed at the RCC over their reverence of Mary is going on, Baptist Board is sporting the following advertisment...
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Oh sweet irony!
WM
co-operate
co-conspiracy
Co--working together with and equally involved.
A co-conspirator in a murder will get the death penalty or life imprison, just like the guilty conspirator. Neither one will go free. They both "conspired" together. They were "co-conspirators" working together on the same plan for the same evil purpose.
The RCC has Mary as a co-Redemptrix, Mary working with Jesus for the redemption of mankind. She is as much needed in the plan of redemption as is Jesus. Catholics pray to her for their redemption. Pray the words of the "Hail Mary." It is blasphemous and idolatrous. It is worship that is due only to God. "Hail Mary full of grace pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death, Amen." What heresy. Mary cannot pray for you; redeem you; do anything for you at the hour of your death at all. If your life is not right with God you will go to the Lake of Fire no matter how many times you pray to Mary. She is dead. She cannot help you. Only Christ has risen from the dead. Praying to the dead is necromancy. You can go to the land of Israel and ask the guides, and they will point you to the place of Mary's tomb. There you can pray to Mary. But that would be foolish wouldn't it? Just as foolish as what you do now!!
Adam and Eve both sinned.
Adam and Eve both came under a curse.
The entire world both came under a curse because of their sin.
Their sin brought terrible consequences.
Mary played no role in the plan of redemption. Jesus alone came from the glories of heaven (not Mary). Jesus alone lived among men as God, was reviled as a man, and crucified to take away our sin. He was the sinless Son of God (not Mary). He bore the penalty of the sin of the world upon him (not Mary). In John 19:30, he cried out "It is finished," meaning the work of salvation is finished. It is accomplished, and was accomplished by Him alone (not Mary). Three days later he arose from the dead (not Mary). Mary is still in the grave rotting away.
Mary is a sinner. God used her vile wicked body to bring Jesus into this world. She was a sinner just like everyone else in this world. But God chose her to be a vessel to bring Christ into this world. That did not change Mary's sin nature. God over-ruled that by the virgin birth, for the sin nature comes from man. Mary did not escape the sin nature. Mary offered a sin offering when Jesus was circumcised, in admission that she was a sinner.
In no way did Mary ever cooperate with Christ in the redemption of mankind. To suggest so, is heresy.
WestminsterMan
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Ask any pilot if his co-pilot is his equal, especially if there is a terrorist attack, or if the pilot has an heart attack, or some other emergency takes place. He is there for a reason, and fully capable of flying the aircraft. You are wrong. And if the plane goes down often both men are held accountable.
WestminsterMan
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WestminsterMan
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again, WHY the need for mary...
can't the Son of God handle the job of being the mediator/High priest, or does he require help to get it done?
Why bother asking anyone to pray for you then, just go to God yourself. Surely he doesn't need to hear it from other Christians to get the job done.
what does mary do that jesus cannot?
And going back to the OP...
Since what that 'mary" claimed to see to the children violated the bible, not from God!
You ignored my question. But Mary intercedes for us, just as the people you ask to pray for you intercede for you. Look at the examples we see in the Old testament. The mother of the King always had the ear of the King. I believe that Christ the King is pleased to listen to His mother and her request.
WestminsterMan
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WestminsterMan
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can I do ANYTHING to add to His role of mediator/High priest?
NO, neither can mary!