Lacy Evans
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Martin Luther King, Jr. said, "I do not believe in hell as a place of literal burning fire." (Ebony magazine, January 1961)
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Did your church have a special observance for Martin Luther King day?
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Then you don't honor Washington or Jefferson either? Hopefully you also don't honor Mary Magdalene.
It's unfortunate that I can't celebrate MLK day without being accused of being politically correct. Last time I checked, his fight was for my civil rights as much as the black man's. When I was a child, I had a best friend who was black. I knew nothing about the civil rights movement of the 60's. All I knew was that tis kid was my best friend. Were it not for the civil rights movement, my friendship with a person of a different race might not have been.
Then you don't honor Washington or Jefferson either? Hopefully you also don't honor Mary Magdalene.
It's unfortunate that I can't celebrate MLK day without being accused of being politically correct. Last time I checked, his fight was for my civil rights as much as the black man's. When I was a child, I had a best friend who was black. I knew nothing about the civil rights movement of the 60's. All I knew was that tis kid was my best friend. Were it not for the civil rights movement, my friendship with a person of a different race might not have been. </font>[/QUOTE]Don't forget King David.
Roscoe
Trackster & Johnv
Are you really comparing MLK to Jefferson Ect. MLK was a Communist you shoulden't mention are founding fathers names in the same breath as MLK. If you wan't a black leader to look up to are for the black race to look up to then why not Allan Keys/J.C. Watts ect,(I look up to them) truely God fearing men not perfect but a better choice by far than King, Jackson and there type.
Are you really comparing MLK to Jefferson Ect. MLK was a Communist you shoulden't mention are founding fathers names in the same breath as MLK. If you wan't a black leader to look up to are for the black race to look up to then why not Allan Keys/J.C. Watts ect,(I look up to them) truely God fearing men not perfect but a better choice by far than King, Jackson and there type.
Let's set the record straight. Martin Luther King was not a communist. This is a complete lie, which is oft repeated. King was never a Communist, and was openly and always critical of the Soviet Union. The reason this rumor is so hard to shake is that an advidor of his, Stanley Levison, and his assistant, Jack O’Dell, had been communists. The fact that King also had been booked to speak before the National Lawyers Guild and Lawyers for Democratic Action (both were reported to have Communist ties) has only helped to fuel the rumor.
The MLK issue is not finding a black man. The fact is, MLK was a powerful Baptist preacher and a champion of civil right for all (not just black) people. Because of his sacrifices, we need not fear of being judged by the color of our skin, be it riding a bus, drinking from a fountain, or eating at a restaurant.
SaggyWoman
Active Member
I have a funny story to share about MLK day celebration.
First, our church did not.
But, Sunday morning, Pastor Raymond did a baptism, so he actually made anouncements while in the baptistry, did his baptism, then we started the rest of the service. He changed clothes, and went to his office, then came up to the podium from the rear of the congregation.
Following him was a big black man, studly dressed beyond all people combined in our church whe were wearing suitcoats and ties (his coat suit must have cost well over 700 American dollars.
Mind you, I am on staff, and usually always forwarns us about people coming in, but we knew nothing about this man coming in. Nor did he. Pastor Raymond fondly greeted him, and all of asudden, the man followed him to the stage. He sat up there with Raymond through the music, offering, etc. Raymond Got up to preach. About 15 minutes into the serman, the man sneaks off stage.
Later we found out that this man was at the wrong church. He was involved in a pulpit exchange, and he was supposed to be at the Wesleyan church, not the Baptist church.
I laughed for days.
First, our church did not.
But, Sunday morning, Pastor Raymond did a baptism, so he actually made anouncements while in the baptistry, did his baptism, then we started the rest of the service. He changed clothes, and went to his office, then came up to the podium from the rear of the congregation.
Following him was a big black man, studly dressed beyond all people combined in our church whe were wearing suitcoats and ties (his coat suit must have cost well over 700 American dollars.
Mind you, I am on staff, and usually always forwarns us about people coming in, but we knew nothing about this man coming in. Nor did he. Pastor Raymond fondly greeted him, and all of asudden, the man followed him to the stage. He sat up there with Raymond through the music, offering, etc. Raymond Got up to preach. About 15 minutes into the serman, the man sneaks off stage.
Later we found out that this man was at the wrong church. He was involved in a pulpit exchange, and he was supposed to be at the Wesleyan church, not the Baptist church.
I laughed for days.
I can give you a great reason why you shouldn't...
MLK was greatly influenced by liberals and in turn had a devastating effect on black churches by steering them toward the "social" gospel and away from preaching salvation and personal holiness.
Partly because of this, illegitimacy and other moral problems have become much worse even as "Civil Rights" have advanced. The net result is that blacks are in many ways worse off today than in 1950, eg. gangs, drugs, illegitimacy, murder, other crime.
Success among blacks, as with any group, is more a function of moral character than how easy things are made for them (ref.- "government remedies for past injustice").
MLK stood up against injustice which is admirable. At the same time, he did harm to the body of Christ by turning a significant number of believers to a political/social religion. Some black folks I knew in Georgia laughed about the fact that many of their members wore the same clothes to church on Sunday morning that they wore out partying the night before. Sadly, the message from many of those pulpits is that blacks fail because of oppression rather than because of the "content of their character."
paidagogos
Active Member
Pastor Greg, I do understand that one of MLK right hand men disclosed in a book that MLK did have adulterers. (does anyone know off hand the title and/or author?)
As far as being a communist, is there some reliable reference you have to back that up. I would be very interested.
I have been informed that the famous "I have a dream" speech was plagiarized by MLK. Same question, does anybody have a reliable reference to back this up.
Should I ever take an English or history/ political course I wouold want to do a research paper on MLK. </font>[/QUOTE]The book is question is The Walls Came Tumbling Down" by Ralph Abernathy, MLK's closest associate. According to Abernathy, and there is no reason to doubt MLK’s adulterous liaisons since many FBI surveillance reports confirm the same, MLK spent the night prior to his assassination with two different women. The morning of his death, MLK came down to Abernathy’s motel room and asked him to patch up the relationship between himself and one of the women. Later, the woman came into the room and began arguing with MLK. It came to blows and MLK backhanded her across the bed. After she left in a rage, MLK walked onto the balcony and was killed.
Whereas MLK was probably never a card-carrying communist, his sympathies, ideas, and associations definitely lay in this direction. An open-eyed examination of the facts will easily reveal this. Read the sources, not the secondary interpretation from either side. And, read with a skeptical eye.
There is a quantum leap between MLK, the man, and MLK, the myth. The problem is that we are affecting the thinking and values of future generations of young blacks by perpetrating the myth. Let’s free them from this albatross around their necks. There were some significant blacks, such as Booker T. Washington and Geo. Washington Carver, who are worthy of recognition and honor. Let's give honor to whom honor is due.
I reiterate: If we forbid holidays to adulterers, we must remove Washington's Birthday from the calendar. Oh, and don't forget Columbus. He lived out of wedlock with a woman at the time of his historic discovery.
As far as folks like Booker T Washington, et al, they're great men in their own right, but MLK Day is not a "black" thing. MLK Day is about civil rights for all people, not just blacks. It's not just a "black man's" holiday. MLK was all about color-blindness.
As far as folks like Booker T Washington, et al, they're great men in their own right, but MLK Day is not a "black" thing. MLK Day is about civil rights for all people, not just blacks. It's not just a "black man's" holiday. MLK was all about color-blindness.
paidagogos
Active Member
Then you don't honor Washington or Jefferson either? Hopefully you also don't honor Mary Magdalene.</font>[/QUOTE]HOGWASH! This doesn't follow. You cannot realistically compare MLK with Washington and Jefferson. And, Mary Magdalene was a forgiven, repentant sinner, I believe. MLK apparently was not unless he repented in the few minutes before he was killed after spending the night in an adulterous relationship. (See The Walls Came Tumbling Down by Ralph Abernathy, MLK's closest associate who was with him at the time of his death--he was an eyewitness.)
Again, sheer nonsense! My mother's family was white sharechoppers in the rural South. Her brothers' best friends were blacks who lived across the field. No one objected or thought anything about it. It was an easy and natural relationship that became ugly in the face of political manipulation and agitation. The black-white relationship in the South has been so contorted and miscontrued that it in no way resembles the reality that existed. You just don't know. I grew up in Dixie and I know--I was there, I saw, and I heard. It is passingly strange that outsiders know more about us, black and white, and what is good for us, black and white, than we know ourselves. They made a mess of it in the War, in Reconstruction, and in the CR movement of the 60's. Butt out and leave us alone.
BTW, I am from Greenville County, SC where they refused to honor the reprobate with a MLK holiday. You may be interested to know that many of my black friends were opposed too. They don't want Jesse or Martin. In fact, the black community is terrorized by the radicals if they deviate the slightest from the PC line. Now, do you think they're really free when they are coerced by their own people. I know black political organizers who are sick of the whole mess. The poor common blacks are PC cannon fodder. They are whipped into line with the Jackson rhetoric and MLK myth to pull the right lever at the polling place and return home to their poverty and misery without hope or help. This is cruel, shameful and degrading. So, don't spout any of your pious rhetoric at me. Bet you didn't read or see anything in the media about blacks booing old Jesse (Jesse Jackson that is)in Greenville, SC. Even blacks didn't want him in Greenville.
paidagogos
Active Member
AMEN!
And Washington? And Jefferson? Were they repentent or unrepentent adulterers? You simply don't know. And if they were, how do you know they didn't have other sins they had yet unrepented? The plain fact is that it silly to bar a person from having a holiday based on whether or not they had repented from a specific sin.
So, separate eating counters, separate fdrinking fountains, separate school houses, and Rosa Parks' bus incident was a myth? I met Rosa Parks, and she told me her story, one on one. Blacks were legally and socially opressed, and it was allowed. At is was, I had the unfortunate encounter of being called a "n*gger-lover" and that was as early as the 70's. I was just a gradeschool kid, wich gradeschool friends who were black. What's worse, I was called such by adults!!!
I give not a rip about Jesse Jackson. We're not talking about him. Jesse Jackson has often made race an issue. I do, however, appreciate the work Jesse Jackson did on the 60's. But he's deviated from that since then. Jesse Jackson is no MLK.
MLK, otoh, worked to make race a non-issue, and I'm personally thankful for that.
John, you forgot to mention that Lincoln was a homosexual. http://www.gayheroes.com/abe.htm
paidagogos
Active Member
Bosh, nonsense. Please don't prate that you're not PC (politically correct) when you spout the PC cliches. How can one rationally refute irrationality? You're wrong on all pts. You cannot justify wickedness on the basis that others may have done it. Furthermore, let's hear some backing for you assertions against Washington, Columbus, etc.
Finally, reiterate all that you want but your argument is leaky. We are not talking about apples and oranges when we compare Washington and MLK.
mioque: Would you tell us what you know about John Birch? I'll tell you what I know about him. He was a Baptist missionary to China. He aided the U.S. war effort against the Japanese by spying for the government and helping downed U.S. airmen avoid Japanese captivity and guiding them to safety. He was given a captain's commission in the U.S. Army, and at the end of the war, Communist Chinese caught him and executed him, despite the fact that he had risked his life to help rid their country of the Japanese invaders. Truman's commie-coddling administration tried to cover up the incident.
Robert Welch wanted to make sure that Americans wouldn't forget John Birch, so he named his organization "The John Birch Society." Even if you don't like "The John Birch Society", it would be ok to celebrate the memory of John Birch,the dedicated Baptist missionary and war hero, though I'm not sure that a special church service in his honor would be proper. Church worship services are to honor God.
Roy
Roy
It's quite simple. If you mention John Birch in our church all you get is blank stares. Nobody has heard of the guy. So you set out to explain who he was.
3 months later, you bring up his name once again and you receive the same blank stares....
But everybody knows about MLK.
Everybody also knows (vaguely) about Lee, but explaining to the congregation why the guy was a Christian hero would be very difficult.
"Would you tell us what you know about John Birch?"
I basically only know what you posted, having read a couple of articles about him, I know there was (is?) a John Birch society, but I know nothing about it.
Ephesus23
"My church is an Independent Baptist church, and we trace our days all the way back to the days of Christ."
I'm not sure if this one needs a
response, a 
response or a response.
It's quite simple. If you mention John Birch in our church all you get is blank stares. Nobody has heard of the guy. So you set out to explain who he was.
3 months later, you bring up his name once again and you receive the same blank stares....
But everybody knows about MLK.
Everybody also knows (vaguely) about Lee, but explaining to the congregation why the guy was a Christian hero would be very difficult.
"Would you tell us what you know about John Birch?"
I basically only know what you posted, having read a couple of articles about him, I know there was (is?) a John Birch society, but I know nothing about it.
Ephesus23
"My church is an Independent Baptist church, and we trace our days all the way back to the days of Christ."
I'm not sure if this one needs a
response or a response.Johnv
You have no idea what your talking about I grew up in the washington dc area the black race is controlled by a left wing anti God group that have brain washed the minds of many of blacks and whites (LIKE YOU)every one is a victime and the only people that these black leaders are helping is them selfs they care only about wealth and power. More and more blacks are seeing whats going on and rejecting the leadership of the black race. There is a small crack happening among the black race and if you tear all the politics and garbage that surrounds everything like all things in life white are black it comes down to being obediant to God and being faitfull to His word. Most of the leaders have the term Rev. in there name but there as much christian as satan him self. And yes I do judge them for in the last day there will many false profits.
Bob
Bob
You have no idea what your talking about I grew up in the washington dc area the black race is controlled by a left wing anti God group that have brain washed the minds of many of blacks and whites (LIKE YOU)every one is a victime and the only people that these black leaders are helping is them selfs they care only about wealth and power. More and more blacks are seeing whats going on and rejecting the leadership of the black race. There is a small crack happening among the black race and if you tear all the politics and garbage that surrounds everything like all things in life white are black it comes down to being obediant to God and being faitfull to His word. Most of the leaders have the term Rev. in there name but there as much christian as satan him self. And yes I do judge them for in the last day there will many false profits.
Bob
Bob