Did your church have a special observance for Martin Luther King day?

[Dr. Bob]

Would encourage all to tread very carefully and stay on subject here. Any implication of race-bashing will not be allowed.

 

[Roy]

Originally posted by mioque:
Roy
It's quite simple. If you mention John Birch in our church all you get is blank stares. Nobody has heard of the guy. So you set out to explain who he was.
3 months later, you bring up his name once again and you receive the same blank stares....
But everybody knows about MLK.
Everybody also knows (vaguely) about Lee, but explaining to the congregation why the guy was a Christian hero would be very difficult.

"Would you tell us what you know about John Birch?"
I basically only know what you posted, having read a couple of articles about him, I know there was (is?) a John Birch society, but I know nothing about it.

Ephesus23
"My church is an Independent Baptist church, and we trace our days all the way back to the days of Christ."
I'm not sure if this one needs a

response, a response or a response.

Thank you, mioque. I understand your post more clearly, now.

Roy

 

[Salty]

Originally posted by mioque:

....But everybody knows about MLK.
"Would you tell us what you know about John Birch?"

Mioque, This would be an exemple example of the "liberal press" and the PC (political correct) crowd. Would you like to know more of the John Birch Society? There web site is JBS.ORG
For a conservative newspaper check out HUMAN EVENTS

You may just get a different point of view. Or as our liberal friends would say "you need to be more open minded" Too bad they dont practice what they preach.

ps would someone go to human events and cut&paste the article about the Supreme court ruling on passing out religious material in the public school? (yes, Dr Bob, I know you said any first grader can do this, but when it comes to computers I am not even up to Pre-K speed

 

[Johnv]

The MLK issue unfortunaly, even in this thread,, becomes an issue fo race. It's unfortunate, since MLK himself fought for a society that's colorblind. This idea that there are "better black heroes" besides MLK does nothing but make a racial issue out of something that isn't a racial issue. If MLK where white, brown, blue, yellow, or plaid, and accomplished he did, I'd still not have a problem with the holiday.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by Johnv:
The MLK issue unfortunaly, even in this thread,, becomes an issue fo race. It's unfortunate, since MLK himself fought for a society that's colorblind. This idea that there are "better black heroes" besides MLK does nothing but make a racial issue out of something that isn't a racial issue. If MLK where white, brown, blue, yellow, or plaid, and accomplished he did, I'd still not have a problem with the holiday.

For all the good he might have done, the fact remains that the Gospel of salvation in Jesus Christ was replaced in many pulpits by the "gospel" of social justice because of King's methods. This is just one more proof that the means do not justify the ends since we can't always foresee the side effects.

 

[Johnv]

National holidays are not reserved for those who preach the way we like or dislike.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by Johnv:
National holidays are not reserved for those who preach the way we like or dislike.

Nor is naming a national holiday for someone a reason for Christians to ignore the harm done to the cause of Christ when that person changes the gospel from salvation in Christ to social justice through gov't action. MLK led many churches to the social gospel and away from the biblical gospel. I don't deny any of the good he did... nor the evil.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Scott J:
I don't deny any of the good he did... nor the evil.

Nor should we for anyone who has been recognized with a national, state, or local holiday.

 

[LadyEagle]

Topic: Did your church have a special observance for Martin Luther King day?

No, Praise God! And if they would have stooped to such a level, I would have gotten up & walked out!

As I said on the other thread, MLK was a communist and womanizer.

http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=62;t=000147;p=2#000021

Not everyone who wears the title Reverend is worthy of it.

 

[Johnv]

If you say that MLK was a communist as though that were a fact, then you're either mistaken or a liar. That's already been addressed. In the very best, he might have been a communist sympathizer. But the most likely scenario is that, because two people on his staff had commnist ties, getting invitations to speak at white groups would no doubt result in several of those groups having communist ties in one way or another. Don't forget, this was the 50's, the age that resulted in McCarthyism. Any person having communist ties in one way or another wasn't exactly a stretch. Lots of people had registered with the commnist party for social reasons. Even Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz nearly fell victim to McCarthyism. Accusing someone of havng comunist ties in the 50's does not mean the same thing as accusing someone of having communist ties today.

As for adulterer, I've asked several times, but I'll ask again. Do you have a problem with Jefferson and Washington, not to mention Columbus, being adulterers? If so, please endeavor to remove their holidays from the calendars.

I, otoh, while I don't condone adultery, understand that these men aren't idols, aren't supermen, and aren't biblical prophets. With that in mind, I have no problem with men like these being recognized for their contributions to the country with a holiday in their honor.

 

[LadyEagle]

John, I am not mistaken - if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. How easily you dismiss even headlines (as posted above) when it doesn't go along with your liberal world view. Too bad you judge everything according to your biased racial views instead of on the facts. You weren't even in this country (according to your past posts) when MLK was going from city to city instigating riots. So how dare you call me a liar?

Oh, I get it - when recorded history and headlines dispel your MLK myth and worship and your liberal world view, then you have to resort to personal attacks. Like usual. Not the first time, no doubt not the last.

Where are the moderators? Isn't namecalling supposed to be against the rules?

[ January 30, 2004, 08:18 AM: Message edited by: LadyEagle ]

 

[Johnv]

Now, if that's not the pot caling the kettle black.

 

[LadyEagle]

Originally posted by Johnv:
Now, if that's not the pot caling the kettle black.

I didn't know you were black. You said you were from Indonesia.

 

[Johnv]

No, I'm bronze. Well, this time of year, I'm somewhat pale....

 

[time like this]

If i were a new beleiver i could easily become discouraged at the borderline resentments being spewed by some. glad the kids in the youth deptment don't have to read these comments.

alright , the man mlk was flawed, his theology may be off a bit, but all of us do not agree with each other on this board. somebody at that time had to challenge the govt. to live upto the tenants upon which this country was established. mlk upheld a strong biblical truth; there is no jew or greek male or female. is it so wrong that he fought for social justice. if you were the one oppressed by these unjust men calling evil good and denying you the priviledges the constituton said you are entitled to as a american would you want someone to cry loud and spare not for your cause? if you can find someone to honestly talk to you about their fears and what that movement meant to them and remove your own biasis so as to clearly see. this should prove to be as difficult as convincing a blackman that robert e. lee was a great christian.

 

[DAVID P. BLACK]

mlk( not his real name by the way its mike king) was probly not converted he had a twisted view of the scripture and his birthday isn't holy(holiday=holy day).on the other hand r.e.lee seems to have been at least a moral man ,his salvation who knows ,he was a "good episcopalian"more than likly not converted at least gen. jacksons testamony is clear..but lee's birthday is no holy day either...christ-mass is a RCC/pagan "holy day"and EASTER it could not get any more pagan than this 1 kings 11:33&1 kings 23:13 ASTARTE OR ASHTORETH old testament pagan female gods which were worshiped in roman times as easter a pagan roman "holy day " celibrated in april ... allyou have to do is look up the word EASTER in most dictionaries and it will give the history of this abomination..if you want to have a somewhat biblical holyday celibrate PASSOVER OR PENTICOST. ACT.2: & JOHN 13:1-

 

[Wiedertaufen]

Originally posted by SALTCITYBAPTIST:
Martin Luther King observance

Chapter and verse?

 

[Wiedertaufen]

Originally posted by Johnv:
I reiterate: If we forbid holidays to adulterers, we must remove Washington's Birthday from the calendar. Oh, and don't forget Columbus. He lived out of wedlock with a woman at the time of his historic discovery.

As far as folks like Booker T Washington, et al, they're great men in their own right, but MLK Day is not a "black" thing. MLK Day is about civil rights for all people, not just blacks. It's not just a "black man's" holiday. MLK was all about color-blindness.

Are you saying that MLK promoted traffic deaths? "Color-blindness" and the lack of discrimination would cause us to no longer be able to discern the difference between a green and a red light.