Difference in Southern Baptist and Fundamental Baptist

I think everyone can agree to that!

 

I couldn't buy gas at all if I had to buy from a place that didn't sell all of the above! </font>[/QUOTE]That was kinda my point...

 

Ya know what, I can't answer that. I never thought of it in that respect. In the home no one sees you. Just like if you wear jammy pants.

I guess it is like this, when you wear a skirt, your concealing your body from the world. So as not to flaunt. (for lack of better words)
Your body is to be seen by your husband only, so if you are at home and in pants (capris actually) it is ok because the only one seeing your curves are your husband. If you live alone than no one.

I do wear jeans outside on occasion whenit is bitter cold. I never said it was ok. I just don't want a certain part of my body to freeze off.
The jeans I do wear out are extremely loose. So loose it is uncomfortable, but I do it so as not to wear them too tight to show my curves and waves, and mountains etc...

So that is my reply, you watched it unfold in front of your eyes... Only kidding

 

Well, jeans arent comfy for me anyway. Never have liked em! But pleated pants, now we're talking.

 

The reason I asked that is that there are some IFB churches here that dont allow the ladies to wear jammies (pants) or pants when they are home. It bacmae an issue b/c someone from the church visited a woman who WAS wearing them, and it cause a big mess.

 

About the women preachers:

The SBC officially does not recognize it. However, local congregations are autonomous. When you see a female minister it is usually at a dominatly CBF church.

I personally attend a church that is SBC only. It is in no way affiliated with the CBF. All deacons are male. Women do teach Sunday school though.

In my humble opinion I like the SBC. I just don't like the fact that its hard to find a church that is not dual affiliated.

In Christ,

Brooks

 

I love SBC too. Funny, I dont know of many dually alligned churches. I dont like that either. Guess it has to do with location maybe.

 

I am not a fan of dually alligned churches either.

 

I was riased by a Southern Baptist deacon, and our church was like the IFB are nowadays....the Soputhern Baptists got soft since then!

 

I couldn't buy gas at all if I had to buy from a place that didn't sell all of the above! </font>[/QUOTE]But when you buy gas you are supporting Muslims.

 

Oh, by the way, I joined this IFB because it stands firmly on what the Bible says and has not bent to the ways of the world. When you study and grow in the grace of our Lord, you grow farther and farther away from the ways of the world.

 

gb93433
"But when you buy gas you are supporting Muslims. "
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I thought that nowadays the USA purchased much of it's petrol in moslim strongholds like ummm... Venezuela?

dcorbett
"I was riased by a Southern Baptist deacon, and our church was like the IFB are nowadays"
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May I ask about your age?

 

RSR
Your pm mailbox is full if you want to find out about what happened in that other thread you need to delete some pm's.

"it means more "Muslim" oil is available to go to Europe"
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Well the interesting news is that a few months ago (after a Dutch cineast was murdered by a moslim radical) a highranking Shi'ite ayatollah affiliated with Hezbollah issued a fatwa stating that it was unacceptable to conduct terrorist attacks in the Netherlands. Looks like my country can buy oil in (Shi'ite) Iran.

 

I Am Blessed 16,

I don't think you made a convincing distinction between a movie theater and a video store(by the way, the video stores in our areas have the same posters as the movie theaters). But I understand your personal conviction and if that is how you want to handle it so be it.

Really what it comes down to, is many IFB "convictions" are more for other IFBs that they are for a testimony to the world. I was recently talking with a Pastor friend of mine about this, and he completely concurred that this a bigger issue, even among Pastors.

There are two reasons I know of that those IFBs who don't go to theaters won't go, it is either because they see some distinction between the theater and the movies(which other IFBs don't see) or they may see no distinction but don't go out of tradition and not wanting to look liberal around there first group of IFBs I mentioned.

I have heard variations of this statement all growing up in IFB churches. It is one thing to stand for holiness and stand against sin. It is another to stand for a list of man-made rules and stand against those who do not agree with them.

Often times(I am not saying you are saying this) IFBs who are believe women may not wear pants and Christians may not go to theaters automatically call these things "worldly" and brand any other Christians who do these things as worldly.

But they must be and are now in more recent years being taken to task on this.

Where does the Bible say going to Theaters is wrong? Never once.

Even if there not a specific command(as there is often not) is there even a Biblical principle, if consistantly applied could forbid a Christian from going to the theater? Again No.

Because if you say, "well we should abstain from all appearance of evil" - is the movie theater an appearance of evil? The honest answer to that is no. It only "appears evil" to certain Christians who believe the building itself to be.

On the Pants issue, are pants men's clothing and dresses women's clothing? No verse in the scriptures say so, they simply say a man should not dress like a women and women should not dress like a man.

It is our own traditions that say pants are only for men and dresses are only for women. What about before men wore pants and men and women both wore robes? There are no scriptures to support these positions, only feeling and intuition support these positions.

Sometimes we as Christians "just feel something is wrong" - could that be the Holy Spirit prodding us? Sure. Could it be just are own traditions and background - again it could be that.

I have no problem with you or anyone else on this board having personal convictions on these things, after all whatever is not done in faith is sin.

But to preach it(and I am not saying you are) from a pulpit as the command of God that God does not want Christians to theaters for any movie or that God does not women to wear pants and call these things worldly has no scriptural basis whatsoever.

IFBReformer

 

Just a comment.....
I think that the differences between "IFB" and "SBC", if one were to remove the labels; is the same difference that can be found in any church of any denomination, to wit:

Is that church "Kingdom Minded", or "Church Minded"? I have seen SBC affiliated churches of both ilk, as well as IFB churches.......

Who do we attempt to please? Jesus Christ or "the church" (note: that is not a mutually exclusive question, as long as the "church" seeks to please the Master first and foremost).

As far as preference.........I'm sure that the cultural differences between the church in 1st century Jerusalem and the church in 1st century Rome were profound......Yet were they not both Christian churches?

Perhaps if your were a (messianic) Jew of the times, the church at Rome might have been a bit uncomfortable/different from what you were used to....but yet Christ was preached.

Thoughts?

 

Would it be a sin for a preacher to wear leather pants and a harley davidsion tee? No - Would it offend our traditions? Sure.

Is it a sin to wear leather motor cycle pants(maybe if they are skin tight like many I have seen, then that would be imodest) If they are not skin tight then where would the sin be?

You see many IFBs would call anything 'harley' a sin because of association with bad motor cycle gangs. The problem with that is I know of many Christians back home in Michigan who love riding their motor cycles and have harleys and stuff - my father being one of them and the Pastor of the Baptist church in the area.

Your problem here is guilt by association - but it has no basis in scripture.

You see here is an assumption again on your part - that in order for you to look like a women means you have to wear a dress. Never is this stated in the scripture - it is tradition. Its ok for you to have this personal standard for yourself, but if you were to say to another Christian women, that the only way she can really look like a women is to wear a dress you have now just stepped over the biblical line.

I agree 100% with you that we are to be seen as different from the world. But is it that we purposelfully dress a certain way so we can stand out? Or it in how we do not wear the immoral, perverse or sexual clothing of the world. Are we to not be different by not going to theaters at all? Or are we to be different by not seeing the wicked movies at those theaters but seeing the ones that are redeemable?

You see the Bible does not teach us to make up artificial rules just to make us stand out, we should stand out by simply not doing the evil things the world does.

I have heard this argument made many times growing up. It is completely false and here is why:

If my neighbors, family and coworkers know I am a Christian and that I do not cuss and talk dirty like them and they know the kind of person I am by watching my behavior and speech - then they will assume the best and not the worst. They will assume I was seeing Bambi and not the wicked movie. The will assume when I go in the liquor store or resterant that sells liquor that I was not by liqour but buying food or other beverages.

So going to movies sends the wrong message? I think actually telling unbelievers you don't ever go to movies could send the wrong message - here is why:

They begin to ask why don't you just not go to shows that things in them that you see as displeasing to God, but go see the good ones. Why do you have to write off the whole thing? The world watches for consistancy, if they see us applying rules inconsistantly they will call us on it.

IFBReformer
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