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Differences between Rapture and Second Coming

37818

37818

Well-Known Member
KUWN said:
At the Rapture:
1. Christ comes FOR His own in the air
2. All believers are translated into new bodies
3. Christians are taken to the Father's House
4. There is no judgment on the earth
5. The Church will be in Heaven
6. It is an imminent occurrence
7. There are no signs preceding it
8. It affects believers only
9. It is a time of joy
10. it occurs before the day of Wrath
11. No mention of Satan
12. The Judgment Seat of Christ happens next
13. There is the marriage of the Lamb
14. Only Christ's own will see him
15. The Tribulation begins

At the Second Coming:
1. Christ comes WITH his own
2. No Translation of bodies
3. resurrected saints remain on earth
4. Christ judges the inhabitants of the earth
5. Christ sets up his kingdom on earth
6. It can not occur until the seven-year Trib period
7. The are numerous signs preceding it
8. It affects all humanity
9. It is a time of mourning
10. It occurs after the Tribulation
11. Satan is bound in abyss 1,000 years
12. No judgment seat of Christ
13. His bride descends with him to earth
14. Every eye will see him
15. The millennial reign of Christ begins
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Is not according to the word of God.
 
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Oseas3

Well-Known Member
KUWN said:
Maybe this will help you see what I am talking about. Try to reconcile this chart. It is self-explanatory.

At the Rapture:
1. Christ comes FOR His own in the air
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"Air" has nothing to do with the physical espace. Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? -> You should know that GOD is he that sits upon the circle of the earth.

2Thessalonians 1:7-10
7 And to you who are troubled(Acts 14:22) rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on, take a look) with His mighty angels->(angels? Luke 20:35-36)

8 In flaming FIRE taking vengeance on them that know not GOD, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the PRESENCE of the Lord (including Michael, the archangel-Daniel 12:1-3), and from the Glory of His Power;

10 When JESUS shall come to be glorified in His saints(the true believers) , and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that Day.-> (the seventh and last Day, -> the Lords"s Day, or seventh and last millennium)
KUWN said:
2. All believers are translated into new bodies
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No, the believers will be transformed and so changed->(Luke 20:35-36), at the last trump->Revelation 11:15-18, for the Trumpet shall sound-> Daniel 12:1-3 combined with 1Thessalonians 4:16 and 15, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed, for this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when THIS CORRUPTIBLE shall have put on incorruption(BE CHANGED), and THIS MORTAL shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.->
Understand: -> Philippians 3:20-21-> 20 For our conversation is in heaven(heaven? Ephesians 1:3-10); from whence also (exactly from this heaven where we are for now), also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: -> Are you looking ? 21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself.-> Matthew 28:18, take a look, and believe.
KUWN said:
3. Christians are taken to the Father's House
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John 14:1-3 ->1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in GOD, believe also in Me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I Am, THERE ye may be also. -> Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth, said JESUS:->Matthew 5:5.->And hast made us unto our GOD kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth-Revelation 5:10. -> It's it.
KUWN said:
4. There is no judgment on the earth
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Even thus shall it be in when the Son of man manifest Himself. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven(brimstone?Isaiah 30:33, take a look, from heaven-> Ephesians 1:3-10), and destroyed them all.
Be prepared or else get ready ->1Corinthians 3:12-15.
KUWN said:
5. The Church will be in Heaven
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Yes, but in which heaven, if the Church is already in an heaven? -> Ephesians 1:3-10. There are several heavens, the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and the heaven of the heavens. In which heaven is placed the current Church? Now, now, in the 2nd heaven, the 3rd heaven, that is the next, will be established from now on->2 Peter 3:13-14, among many other biblical references.
But now, even now, from now on, heaven and earth which are now shall pass away by the same Word, by the Word of the Devouring Fire, in this Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men. Seeing then that all these things shall be DISSOLVED / DISMANTLED as a violent IMPLOSION, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness?

Furthermore, the Dragon, the old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world, he is also in heaven, and it's urgent to cast him out of the heaven, understand? ->Revelation 12:9->9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Be prepared or else get ready.

Similarity between passing by the Red Sea and by the Red Dragon

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - PUT THIS IN YOUR MIND ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - THE RED SEA AND THE RED DRAGON ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I believe you know that the Hebrews had to cross the Red Sea, and walk through a desert, walk until they got to the Promised Land after 40 years of...
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KUWN said:
6. It is an imminent occurrence
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What really is imminent is the LITERAL fulfillment of Revelation 11:15-18 combinedwith 1Corinthians 15:24-28&51-55, among many other biblical references. Wake up, it's midnight.
KUWN said:
7. There are no signs preceding it
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Of course there are, there are several signs. The Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy...The apostasy is a great sign among many other signs.
2Thessalonians 2:3-5
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that Day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

The demonic apostasy is one of the terrible signs of this current time. ->Luke 18:8-> Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? -> 1Samuel 13:17-22, take a look.
Be prepared or else get ready
 
37818

37818

Well-Known Member
KUWN said:
Maybe this will help you see what I am talking about. Try to reconcile this chart. It is self-explanatory.

At the Rapture:
1. Christ comes FOR His own in the air
2. All believers are translated into new bodies
3. Christians are taken to the Father's House
4. There is no judgment on the earth
5. The Church will be in Heaven
6. It is an imminent occurrence
7. There are no signs preceding it
8. It affects believers only
9. It is a time of joy
10. it occurs before the day of Wrath
11. No mention of Satan
12. The Judgment Seat of Christ happens next
13. There is the marriage of the Lamb
14. Only Christ's own will see him
15. The Tribulation begins

At the Second Coming:
1. Christ comes WITH his own
2. No Translation of bodies
3. resurrected saints remain on earth
4. Christ judges the inhabitants of the earth
5. Christ sets up his kingdom on earth
6. It can not occur until the seven-year Trib period
7. The are numerous signs preceding it
8. It affects all humanity
9. It is a time of mourning
10. It occurs after the Tribulation
11. Satan is bound in abyss 1,000 years
12. No judgment seat of Christ
13. His bride descends with him to earth
14. Every eye will see him
15. The millennial reign of Christ begins
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And without Biblical support.
 
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Eternally Grateful

Active Member
I think in prophesy we always have to use the literal

Prophesy is spoken in terms of future events with some detail (we may or may not be given all the detail

We know Jesus was born of a virgin
we know he was born in Bethlehem
when know the time of his arrival in literal years (after 69 weeks Dan 9)
we know how he would come (lowly and riding on a donkey)
we know the things he would do when he came

using precidence. We must interpret prophecy that has not occurred yet in the same way.

Also. God gives prophecy for a reason. So the people know. He said it.. and they know it is from him

if he says there will be 144000 jews sent out as evangelists.. Well by Golly there should be 144000. otherwise we can not say the prophesy is fulfilled.
 
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KUWN

New Member
Oseas3 said:
"Air" has nothing to do with the physical espace. Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? -> You should know that GOD is he that sits upon the circle of the earth.

2Thessalonians 1:7-10
7 And to you who are troubled(Acts 14:22) rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on, take a look) with His mighty angels->(angels? Luke 20:35-36)

8 In flaming FIRE taking vengeance on them that know not GOD, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the PRESENCE of the Lord (including Michael, the archangel-Daniel 12:1-3), and from the Glory of His Power;

10 When JESUS shall come to be glorified in His saints(the true believers) , and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that Day.-> (the seventh and last Day, -> the Lords"s Day, or seventh and last millennium)

No, the believers will be transformed and so changed->(Luke 20:35-36), at the last trump->Revelation 11:15-18, for the Trumpet shall sound-> Daniel 12:1-3 combined with 1Thessalonians 4:16 and 15, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed, for this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when THIS CORRUPTIBLE shall have put on incorruption(BE CHANGED), and THIS MORTAL shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.->
Understand: -> Philippians 3:20-21-> 20 For our conversation is in heaven(heaven? Ephesians 1:3-10); from whence also (exactly from this heaven where we are for now), also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: -> Are you looking ? 21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself.-> Matthew 28:18, take a look, and believe.

John 14:1-3 ->1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in GOD, believe also in Me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I Am, THERE ye may be also. -> Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth, said JESUS:->Matthew 5:5.->And hast made us unto our GOD kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth-Revelation 5:10. -> It's it.

Even thus shall it be in when the Son of man manifest Himself. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven(brimstone?Isaiah 30:33, take a look, from heaven-> Ephesians 1:3-10), and destroyed them all.
Be prepared or else get ready ->1Corinthians 3:12-15.

Yes, but in which heaven, if the Church is already in an heaven? -> Ephesians 1:3-10. There are several heavens, the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and the heaven of the heavens. In which heaven is placed the current Church? Now, now, in the 2nd heaven, the 3rd heaven, that is the next, will be established from now on->2 Peter 3:13-14, among many other biblical references.
But now, even now, from now on, heaven and earth which are now shall pass away by the same Word, by the Word of the Devouring Fire, in this Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men. Seeing then that all these things shall be DISSOLVED / DISMANTLED as a violent IMPLOSION, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness?

Furthermore, the Dragon, the old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world, he is also in heaven, and it's urgent to cast him out of the heaven, understand? ->Revelation 12:9->9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Be prepared or else get ready.

Similarity between passing by the Red Sea and by the Red Dragon

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - PUT THIS IN YOUR MIND ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - THE RED SEA AND THE RED DRAGON ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I believe you know that the Hebrews had to cross the Red Sea, and walk through a desert, walk until they got to the Promised Land after 40 years of...
purebibleforum.com

What really is imminent is the LITERAL fulfillment of Revelation 11:15-18 combinedwith 1Corinthians 15:24-28&51-55, among many other biblical references. Wake up, it's midnight.

Of course there are, there are several signs. The Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy...The apostasy is a great sign among many other signs.
2Thessalonians 2:3-5
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that Day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

The demonic apostasy is one of the terrible signs of this current time. ->Luke 18:8-> Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? -> 1Samuel 13:17-22, take a look.
Be prepared or else get ready
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37818 said:
@KUWN,
The first resurrection takes place before the rapture.
Per 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17.
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I really am not trying to be disrespectful, but your response to this is that of a freshman in Christ. I have never seen such a convoluted hodgepodge attempt at presenting one's theology. You have no concept of Dispensational theology. But more than all this, you show no signs of interacting with scholarly thought. I know you will have a hay day responding to me. but I have to be honest. I was hoping I could respond to anyone's reply but I could not follow your train of thought. Forgive me if you are offended. I am just very frustrated trying to get serious bible students who have thought through the issues and have studied their butts off.
 
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