Different Gospel

Dr Bob,

What is your beef with Habitat for Humanity? My neighbor found the Lord while we were working on a Habitat house. (Not that that in itself validates the organization, curious though.)

I don't recall anyone ever criticizing them before.

Russell

 

The facts of the gospel are unmistakeable and Josh alluded to several of them.

Holiness of God
Sinfulness of man
Virgin birth of Christ
Sinless life of Christ
Vicarious death of Christ
Bodily resurrection/Ascension/Return of Christ

However, the facts of the gospel do not save anyone. One must repent of their sin (and wrong thinking) and turn to God from their idols (sin and wrong belief) by submitting to Christ as Lord and Savior.

The gospel demands that people forsake their present lifestyle and embrace Christ. If a person refuses to turn from homosexuality, he is also refusing Christ. Jesus said to deny yourself. If you reject something so obvious as homosexuality, you do not really want Christ as Lord. You do want Christ for religion that secret sins may be covered up.

That is what C.S. Murph meant by a false gospel and he is absolutely correct.

 

Thank you I appreciate your view even though I don't agree with it. #1 I tried the search but couldn't find what I was looking for. #2 I didn't hijack anything. Josh moved this discussion here from another thread and then PM,d me asking for my responce. I was not attempting to " ambush" but rather being that I found that thread I listed some of his comments that I feel represent my view that he is preaching a different gospel. In these quotes he denies Pauline writings and claims that homosexuality is not sinful. Think what you will but this is a different gospel.

Murph

 

Joshua,

Not to make this into an inquisition, but I'm curious.

What is your view of Genesis 1-11?

Do you believe Jesus was fully human and fully divine?

Did he perform miracles?

Did he die and rise again?

Thanks for indulging me.

 

I was going to let this comment (made by one of the moderators) slide, but it occured to me that he may have actually meant this.

OK - here's the gospel.

- We're all sinners.

- Our sin keeps us from being in full relationship with God. It keeps us from finding real peace, and from reaching the full potential of who we are capable of being.

- The good news is that God loves us completely and eternally. God loves us so much that God took the form of a human - Jesus - and died on a cross for our sins. On the third day Jesus physically rose from the dead.

- That sacrifice, of God-in-the-flesh, atoned for our sins and reconciles us with God if we will open our hearts to it.

- Opening our hearts means submitting to the authority of God as opposed to submitting to our sinful desires and the addictions of our weaknesses. Opening our hearts means recognizing our own imperfection and inability to acheive our own salvation. Opening our hearts means following the example of Christ, and freely sharing with others the mercy and love we have receiced. Opening our hearts means seeking the will of God through prayer, study, and fellowship with other believers. Opening our hearts means finding, in our emptiness, a place that can be filled by the holiness and beauty of God.

- The Holy Spirit works in the believer's life to transform them, through the sacrifice of Jesus, into a person who is not defined by the limitations of this world.

How is this a different gospel?

Joshua</font>[/QUOTE]First you left repent out.

That is not a full gospel.

we are all sinners but now we have power over sin.

"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace."

We will sin but it will not be the patern of our life.

We WILL seek thought the POWER of the Holy Ghost to put sin away from us.

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

that is why Paul said

1 Corinthians 6
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

I repented of my covetous. I my fall back in from time to time but the Lord Help me to over come that sin and others.

I 2 ex-homosexuals who repented of that sin and live normal lives now. One has a wife and 4 kids.

Yes repent is part of the message.

 

SO! tell me what is a Bible defninition of repent?

 

Sometimes, as theologians, we make the gospel so complicated it is a great wonder anyone is saved. "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved." Plain and simple. Now, we all know that much more than that is involved, but we didn't learn it overnight. The knowledge came in time as we read the word and we were taught.

If it is true, as many of us believe, the Holy Spirit begins the work of repentance and conversion, the believer honestly accepts the gift of the Holy Spirit, then they are saved. From there on it is a matter of sanctification and knowledge.

A simpleton, sitting outside Spurgeon's Tabernacle reportedly said, " I am just a simpleton and nothing at all, but Jesus Christ is my all in all." He said it all, didn't he?

Some of us will travel different roads to get to the same place. We will differ in our understandings......and, please do not think I have all religions in mind when I say this.....but our focus is on Jesus, the Christ. If we get the person of Jesus correct, then many of these other things should fall into line. One day they will,,,,,,when we see Him face to face. In the interim we can debate until we are blue in the face, but I urge all to do one thing, to lift the Saviour high, lay the sinner low and remember we ourselves are but sinners saved by His grace.

Can we go to the streets, see the foulest of drunks sitting in the gutter, reach out and touch him, without fear of soiling our three-piece suits, and tell him that Jesus loves him? This too is the gospel, isn't it?

Cheers,

Jim

 

i remember the day i first asked God why? i was in a alley , been on drugs & drink'n for 10 yr's strait non-stop, all i knew then, was i needed somthing, someone!!!!!! met a fella at work who witnessed by walk & talk, told me about Jesus,you know- i think i already knew i needed someone; i'm grateful to that guy for taking the time to tell me about Jesus,i'm grateful GodAlmighty took time
to listen to all my stupid complaints about this unfair life i was living.i'm very glad i asked God to FORGIVE me a sinner of all my sins.to come live in & with me for the rest of my life here on earth; see i didn't know anything about church,gospel,ways of doing things ,just knew i needed someone,a friend,a savior someone to fix all this mess i was in.just knew i needed Jesus ! thanks for letting share ,i really love my Jesus ,he's everything to me,remember i love all you folks here at the BB;love reading these post they help me keep on keeping on. your friend & brother in Christ Jesus.......bill, from my heart to yours

 

Hello Joshua,

I can agree with much of the way that you have attempted to define the Gospel. However, my concern for you and your teaching is, like that of others mentioned on this thread, regarding your definition of repentance. Below I have quoted what I believe to be your definition of repentance:

This all sound real nice, particularly the warm and fuzzy part about opening our hearts. However, I do not see how your definition gives a lost sinner a clear understanding that they must turn completely from their sins and live a pure and Holy life.

[ November 24, 2002, 05:52 AM: Message edited by: BibleboyII ]

 

"...recognizing that the first 11 chapters of Genesis are myth..."

Wow! I can't believe I just read that!

 

Joshua,

I don't want to hijack your thread, so feel free to limit the scope and pass on this question if you want.

How do you believe the universe got here? In what sense, if any, did God "cause" it.

Was there a literal Adam and Eve who were the progenitors of the entire human race? If not, how do you explain original sin in Romans 5 and 1 Cor. 15 as well as NT detailed reference to Adam and Eve in 1 Tim 2:13-14?

 

Just don't get the idea that when someone says that the first 11 chapters are "myth", they mean that they think it is pure fiction or untrue. They are usually interpreting the meaning in a non-literal sense.