Different Protestant Denominations

[FriendofSpurgeon]

Knowing very little about any denomination other than Baptist and Presbyterian, I would be interested in hearing from Lutherans, Methodists, and Episcapalians on how their churches administer and view baptism, how they practice communion (ie open or closed), how they feel about Calvinism, and specifically, once saved always saved. Is there different views within your denomination?

We have friends who are Methodists and have visited their church. Here is what I know about them.

Regarding salvation, they are definitely not Calvinists -- very much tilted toward "free-will."

Regarding communion, they do have open communion. However, their view of communion is closer to that of Presbyterians -- not trans/consubstantiation but not a Zwinglian view either. Rather, the "real presence" of Christ.

Regarding baptism, they baptize infants of believing parents - though I don't think their covenantal view is the same as Presbyterians. Like communion, they view baptism as a "means of grace" -- similar to Presbyterians.

Hope this is helpful.

 

[Reformed in WA]

Presenting the Reformed Perspective

Knowing very little about any denomination other than Baptist and Presbyterian, I would be interested in hearing from Lutherans, Methodists, and Episcopalians on how their churches administer and view baptism, how they practice communion (ie open or closed), how they feel about Calvinism, and specifically, once saved always saved. Is there different views within your denomination?

I am a member of the URC the United Reformed Church and though you said you knew about Presbyterians I thought I would give you the Continental Reformed Perspective (otherwise known as the Dutch Reformed Tradition).

We practice padeo-baptism and view baptism as a sign and seal of belonging to the covenant made with God through Christ Jesus. We do not believe that baptism cleanses us of sin, only the blood of Christ does that but the water (sprinkling) does symbolize that cleansing. Being baptized in our church does not make one a member but a member must be baptized before they can join the church. We view baptism as the new covenant's sign and seal exactly like circumcision was used to seal the Abrahamic covenant.

Our communion is likewise a sign and seal of our union and adoption with Christ. We believe Christ is present spiritually in our meal although we don't believe He is there bodily (Catholic or Lutheran). We believe and confess that the sign and seal are so closely related to what they symbolize that the Lord's Supper is a means of Grace given to us, along with the other sacrament, Baptism and the preaching of God's Word. There is debate within reformed circles as to the frequency of communion. I am of the belief that it should be every Lord's Day as practiced by the church in Acts.

Communion is closed to members in good standing of any church that is a true church having ecumenical relations with the URC. These would all be reformed or Presbyterian churches not counting such liberal churches such as the PCUSA or the RCA. Here is a link to the church membership we would allow to our table: http://www.service-life.com/sysfiles/member/links/links.cfm?memberid=303&public=1

Our Classis which consists of our ruling elders guard our table. Usually there is an announcement in the order of worship as well as a pastoral announcement during the institution of communion that warns anyone who is not a member in good standing or who has not asked forgiveness of their sins to abstain from the eating of the meal as they would only eat condemnation upon themselves.

We are of course Calvinists though I prefer the term Bible believing Christians. As what Calvin commented on was only Scripture and none of the doctrines that are ascribed to him were his but they are God's. As far as the Perserverance of the Saints (what you stated as once saved always saved) that is a clear doctrine from scripture. (John 6:35-37, John 10:27-29, Romans 5:9, Romans 8:35, etc...)

There are no different views within our denomination. Except as far as I have already talked about like frequency of communion, order of the liturgy, etc... If you would like to know more about how we practice our faith or what our doctrines, confessions and beliefs are I would be happy to discuss them with you.

 

[billwald]

If WIKI is accurate:

>The URCNA was founded as a federation of Reformed churches in 1996 at Lynwood, Illinois CRC. Most of the members that founded the URCNA left the Christian Reformed Church in North America (CRCNA), due to disagreement on several issues.

then it is a dissenting new denomination that hasn't been around long enough to develop significant internal disputes.

The CRC accepts any person in (at?) communion who has been baptized as a Christian and who accepts the Ecumenical Creeds as representing the truth. Anyway, that is the rule at Everett (WA) First CRC.

 

[Reformed in WA]

If WIKI is accurate:

>The URCNA was founded as a federation of Reformed churches in 1996 at Lynwood, Illinois CRC. Most of the members that founded the URCNA left the Christian Reformed Church in North America (CRCNA), due to disagreement on several issues.

then it is a dissenting new denomination that hasn't been around long enough to develop significant internal disputes.

The CRC accepts any person in (at?) communion who has been baptized as a Christian and who accepts the Ecumenical Creeds as representing the truth. Anyway, that is the rule at Everett (WA) First CRC.

Yes it is a new denomination so what you say about dissension within the URC is a good point. But doctrinal dissension as opposed to dissension on order of worship should be avoided at all costs.

It is my understanding within the CRC there is a wide range from very conservative to very liberal is that correct?

 

[FriendofSpurgeon]

I am a member of the URC the United Reformed Church and though you said you knew about Presbyterians I thought I would give you the Continental Reformed Perspective (otherwise known as the Dutch Reformed Tradition).

We practice padeo-baptism and view baptism as a sign and seal of belonging to the covenant made with God through Christ Jesus. We do not believe that baptism cleanses us of sin, only the blood of Christ does that but the water (sprinkling) does symbolize that cleansing. Being baptized in our church does not make one a member but a member must be baptized before they can join the church. We view baptism as the new covenant's sign and seal exactly like circumcision was used to seal the Abrahamic covenant.

Our communion is likewise a sign and seal of our union and adoption with Christ. We believe Christ is present spiritually in our meal although we don't believe He is there bodily (Catholic or Lutheran). We believe and confess that the sign and seal are so closely related to what they symbolize that the Lord's Supper is a means of Grace given to us, along with the other sacrament, Baptism and the preaching of God's Word. There is debate within reformed circles as to the frequency of communion. I am of the belief that it should be every Lord's Day as practiced by the church in Acts.

Communion is closed to members in good standing of any church that is a true church having ecumenical relations with the URC. These would all be reformed or Presbyterian churches not counting such liberal churches such as the PCUSA or the RCA. Here is a link to the church membership we would allow to our table: http://www.service-life.com/sysfiles/member/links/links.cfm?memberid=303&public=1

Our Classis which consists of our ruling elders guard our table. Usually there is an announcement in the order of worship as well as a pastoral announcement during the institution of communion that warns anyone who is not a member in good standing or who has not asked forgiveness of their sins to abstain from the eating of the meal as they would only eat condemnation upon themselves.

We are of course Calvinists though I prefer the term Bible believing Christians. As what Calvin commented on was only Scripture and none of the doctrines that are ascribed to him were his but they are God's. As far as the Perserverance of the Saints (what you stated as once saved always saved) that is a clear doctrine from scripture. (John 6:35-37, John 10:27-29, Romans 5:9, Romans 8:35, etc...)

There are no different views within our denomination. Except as far as I have already talked about like frequency of communion, order of the liturgy, etc... If you would like to know more about how we practice our faith or what our doctrines, confessions and beliefs are I would be happy to discuss them with you.

We (PCA) are very similar except that our communion is open to all Christians, though my guess is that this may be a congregational issue -- not a denominational one. Also, we celebrate communion one Sunday per month, not every Sunday. Again, this is a congregational issue.

 

[billwald]

>It is my understanding within the CRC there is a wide range from very conservative to very liberal is that correct?

Politically, yes, that is correct. Theologically we hold to the 3 ecumenical creeds and the 3 Reformed statements, Dort, Heidelberg, and Belgic.

 

[Rippon]

I can be a loose cannon at times.

This quote is necessary because SN can't remember what he has posted in the public forums.

 

[BobRyan]

Knowing very little about any denomination other than Baptist and Presbyterian, I would be interested in hearing from Lutherans, Methodists, and Episcapalians on how their churches administer and view baptism, how they practice communion (ie open or closed), how they feel about Calvinism, and specifically, once saved always saved. Is there different views within your denomination?

good topic! :thumbsup:

Seventh-day Adventists (in some ways like Seventh-day Baptists and like Free-Will Baptists).

1. Believer's Baptism by full water immersion

2. open Communion (grape juice not fermented wine)
(We also practice foot washing at communion)

3. Arminian - AND Rom 2:6-7 perseverance of the saints is required (so no OSAS).

4. Assurance of salvation based on Rom 8:16 witness -- so no OSAS

5. Historicist view of Prophecy. Literal pre-mill second coming. Rapture is post-trib. Millenium is a real 1000 years. 2300 year prophecy of Dan 8 ended in 1844 at which time the Rev 14:6-7 judgment began. 1260 years of persecution (dark ages) predicted by Dan 7, Rev 11, Rev 12 and Rev 13 ended in the 18th century. etc...

6. Trinity. Christ was God the Son incarnate in human flesh - bodily raised and will return visibly physically - literally at the 2nd coming.

7. 66 Books of the Bible - all inspired all valuable for doctrine, instruction and reproof.

8. Sola Scriptura test for all doctrine

9. Centralized form of administration. But doctrinal decisions can only come from world-wide church gathering (via locally nominated representatives). (So no church administrator can determine doctrine).

10. Only ONE Gospel for fallen mankind in all of time - both OT and NT
So that means OT saints - saved by grace through faith and it means they had to be "born again" to be saved.

11. Ten Commandments of God " are a good thing" not a bad thing. And are still valid. Seventh day sabbath is accurate and correct - (so evolution is dead wrong.)

12. Spiritual gifts of 1Cor 12 are still valid. (not apostles however because they "by definition" were alive in the first century and saw Christ -- and launched the NT church)

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Melanie]

2. open Communion (grape juice not fermented wine)
(We also practice foot washing at communion)


This is something I have never understood.....at all Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Melanie -

Which part -- the unfermented wine or the foot washing, or open communion?

Bob