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Dinosaurs!!! What happened to them??

webdog

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I agree with bmerr and gekko. There were two of every animal including dinosaurs. There might have been some dinosaurs that were extinct already at that point, but what remained came out of the ark and then became extinct probably because of the new environment of earth.
 

Deacon

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bmerr said:
There's a riverbed in TX somewhere with human and dinosaur footprints crossing over each other, and even embedded in each other.
Christian myth. Don't keep passing it along until you've studied it more fully.

There's a Baptist fellow named Kent Hovind, viewed by some as a nut, and he's certainly off in a few areas, but he does a good job with the creation/evolution debate. He's got what he calls "The Hovind Theory", and it's really not bad. It might be worth looking at.
Ken Hovend's a Baptist??? Ugggh, I remember arduously sitting through a Creationist video of his and hearing the parents exclaim, "We've got to teach our kids this stuff." IMO it would set back education centuries.

Aside from that, the presence of "dragons" in the legends and folklore of the world seems to attest to their cohabitation of earth with man.
Need I say more? We resort to legends and forklore to support a position that is scientifically unsound and biblically questionable at best.

Rob
 

Hope of Glory

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bmerr said:
To All,

bmerr here. I'm with gekko on this one. Dinosaurs and man walked the earth together. There's a riverbed in TX somewhere with human and dinosaur footprints crossing over each other, and even embedded in each other. Pretty neat.

The Paluxy River track has been proved to be fallacious and even most YEers don't use it as "evidence" any longer.

Here's one article from the Institute for Creation Research: Paluxy River Study
 

Brother Bob

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When I had to walk home in the dark about 2 mile up a lonley road all by myself when I was a small boy, I may have seen a dinosaur but was afraid to look back while I running at top speed. Didn't know I could run so fast. You don't want to see one!! :)
 

Jim1999

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Not everyone believes the flood was universal, but rather local.

There is also some evidence that certain species became extinct in the ice age.

Cheers,

Jim
 

Hope of Glory

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I accept the flood as universal (although the language used does not require it), but the flood happened much, much, much later than the dinosaurs seemed to have gone extinct. Well, except for my Dad. (That's more fun to say when he's reading things...)
 

BobRyan

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Hope of Glory said:
If you want to call it that. There's not a gap, per say, it's just that the Bible establishes certain things and then deals with human history.

True enough
 

BobRyan

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The flood happened about 1600 years after creation according to the Bible.

Dinosaurs went extinct in the global flood.
 

gekko

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the chinese, english, babylonians, scottish, welsh etc. all have dragon folklore...
think all these writers were related or close friends? i dont think so.

if all these people saw dragons... what. you think marco polo spread a legend?

scientifically unsound and biblically questionable at best.

well. can't trust the weatherman - who can trust scientists these days?

how is it biblically questionable hmm?

Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down? Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn? Will he make many supplications unto thee? whill he speak soft words unto thee? will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever? wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens? shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants? canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears? Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more. Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him? none is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me? .... Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about. His scales are his pride, shut up together as a close seal. one is so near to another, that no air can come between them. they are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered. by he neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out. out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. his breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. in his neck remaineth strenght, and sorrow is turned into joy before him. the flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved. his heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone. when he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves. the sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold: the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon. He esteemeth iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood. the arrow cannot make him flee: slingstones are turned with him into stubble. darts are counted as stubble: he laugheth at the shaking of a spear. sharp stones are under him: he spreadeth sharp pointed things apon the mire. he maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment...

obviously this leviathan character was huge. scary. strong. and practically everything else crazy.

why would God use the leviathan to compare himself to when speaking to Job... if the leviathan was not around? Job wouldn't be able to make sense of any of it if the leviathan was something small or extinct...
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Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him. Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play. He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. the shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about. behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. He taketh is with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares."

elephant? hippo?

do elephant/hippo tails move "like a cedar" ? nope.
can they drink up a whole river? nope.
are their bones like brass and iron? nope.

so what is it? elephant? hippo? or dinosaur of some sort?

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c'mon people. why is it so hard to believe? dinosaurs were on the ark.

"but dinosaurs wouldn't FIT on the ark!"

really... so how big are baby dinosaurs?
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just food for thought.
 

LeBuick

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Hope of Glory said:
I accept the flood as universal (although the language used does not require it), but the flood happened much, much, much later than the dinosaurs seemed to have gone extinct. Well, except for my Dad. (That's more fun to say when he's reading things...)

Another interesting fact is how many other cultures have a great flood in their history.


gekko said:
obviously this leviathan character was huge. scary. strong. and practically everything else crazy.

why would God use the leviathan to compare himself to when speaking to Job... if the leviathan was not around? Job wouldn't be able to make sense of any of it if the leviathan was something small or extinct...

The problem with this theory is the same word is used later in scripture. I believe psalms, Isaiah and one other book uses the same word.
 

webdog

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gekko said:
ok. so leviathan is mentioned elsewhere in scripture...

what's the problem?
I believe that there are some dinosaurs still alive today. I saw some Incan pottery with a triceratops painted on it, as well as drawings from an african tribe that depicts the likeness of a brontosaurus.
 

LeBuick

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gekko said:
ok. so leviathan is mentioned elsewhere in scripture...

what's the problem?

I can't dispute you theory but there are some who dispute your definition of the word used in Job because it was used later in scripture. The thinking is, what ever the word meant in Job time must have still been living during the time of the other writings. In that light, it could not be a pre historic creature.
 

BobRyan

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gekko said:
bobryan... you dont think they were on the ark??

We know there was a global event that wiped them out.

We know that the flood was a global event that wiped out all living things on land except those that God saved in the ark.

The dinosaurs in the sea would have survived the flood - but I do not think the ones on the land did. Any super-large land animal that either needed "lots of meat" or "Lots of vegetation" would have had a tough time coming out of the ark and surviving.

In Christ,

Bob
 

gekko

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Any super-large land animal that either needed "lots of meat" or "Lots of vegetation" would have had a tough time coming out of the ark and surviving.

ok. i'll give you that.

but have you ever heard of a baby dinosaur? they apparently were quite smaller then the adult ones.
 

BobRyan

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I wonder how long they "stayed small". We have some cousins of those "terrible lizards" still around so it would appear that they reach adult sizes relatively fast.

And if there were only two of them on the ark (clean animals by sevens and unclean by two's ) they would have to do a lot of diverging to get back to the various pre-flood flavors.
 

TaliOrlando

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Check this link out or read below
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/FAQ25.html#wp1614541
www.creationscience.com It has a great theory on Noahs Flood as well. Check it out and let me know what you brother and sisters in Christ think!!!!!


What about the Dinosaurs?

This frequent question, asked in just this way, implies many questions related to dinosaurs—a word meaning “terrible lizards.” When did they live? What killed the dinosaurs? What were they like? What does the Bible say about them? Could so many large animals have fit on the Ark? There were about 300 different types of dinosaurs. Most were large; some even gigantic. One adult dinosaur was as tall as a five-story building. However, some adults were small, about the size of a chicken.

Many questions will be answered if we focus on one question, “When did they live?” Two quite different answers are usually given. Evolutionists say dinosaurs lived, died, and became extinct at least 60 million years before man evolved. Others believe God created all living things during the creation week, so man and dinosaurs lived at the same time. If we look at the evidence, sorting out these two very different answers should be easy.

Did dinosaurs become extinct at least 60 million years before man evolved? Almost all textbooks that address the subject say they did. Movies and television vividly portray this. One hears it even at Disney World and other amusement parks. Some will say that every educated person believes this. We frequently hear stories that begin with impressive-sounding phrases such as, “Two hundred million years ago, as dinosaurs ruled the earth, ...” But none of this is evidence; some of it is an appeal to authority. (Evidence must be observable and verifiable.)

Did man and dinosaurs live at the same time? Scientists in the former Soviet Union have reported a layer of rock containing more than 2,000 dinosaur footprints alongside tracks “resembling human footprints.”1 Obviously, both types of footprints were made in mud or sand that later hardened into rock. If some are human footprints, then man and dinosaurs lived at the same time. Similar discoveries have been made in Arizona.2 Were it not for the theory of evolution, few would doubt that these were human footprints.

Soft dinosaur tissue has now been recovered from several dinosaurs: three tyrannosaurs (T rex) and one hadrosaur. It is ridiculous to believe that soft tissue can be preserved for more than 60,000,000 years, but it could be preserved for 5,000 years. [For details see “Old DNA, Bacteria, and Proteins?” on page 33.]

The Book of Job is one of the oldest books ever written. In it, God tells of His greatness as Creator and describes an animal, called Behemoth, as follows:

Behold now, Behemoth, which I made as well as you; He eats grass like an ox. Behold now, his strength in his loins, And his power in the muscles of his belly. He bends his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his thighs are knit together. His bones are tubes of bronze; His limbs are like bars of iron. (Job 40:15–18)

Marginal notes in most Bibles speculate that Behemoth was probably an elephant or a hippopotamus, but those animals have tails like ropes. Behemoth had a “tail like a cedar.” Any animal with a tail as huge and strong as a cedar tree is probably a dinosaur. Also, Job 40:19–24 says this giant, difficult-to-capture animal was not alarmed by a raging river. If the writer of Job knew of a dinosaur, then the evolution position is wrong, and man saw dinosaurs.

The next chapter of Job describes another huge, fierce animal, a sea monster named Leviathan.3 It was not a whale or crocodile, because the Hebrew language had other words to describe such animals. Leviathan may be a plesiosaur (PLEE see uh sore), a large seagoing reptile that evolutionists say became extinct 60 million years before man evolved.

For the past three centuries, reports have come from the Congo in western Africa that dinosaurs exist in remote swamps. Eyewitness stories are often from educated people who can quickly describe dinosaurs. Two expeditions to the Congo, led by biologist Dr. Roy Mackal of the University of Chicago, never saw dinosaurs, but interviewed many of these witnesses and concluded that their reports were about dinosaurs and were apparently true.5 If any of these accounts are correct, man and dinosaurs were contemporaries.

Consider the many dragon legends. Most ancient cultures have stories or artwork of dragons that strongly resemble dinosaurs.6 The World Book Encyclopedia states that:

The dragons of legend are strangely like actual creatures that have lived in the past. They are much like the great reptiles [dinosaurs] which inhabited the earth long before man is supposed to have appeared on earth. Dragons were generally evil and destructive. Every country had them in its mythology.7

The simplest and most obvious explanation for so many common descriptions of dragons from around the world is that man once knew the dinosaurs.

What caused the extinction of dinosaurs? Primarily, the flood. Because dinosaur bones are found among other fossils, dinosaurs must have been living when the flood began. Dozens of other dinosaur extinction theories exist, but all have recognized problems. [See pages 109–110.] Most of the food chain was buried in the flood. Therefore, many large dinosaurs that survived the flood probably had difficulty feeding themselves and became extinct.

Were dinosaurs on the Ark? Yes. God told Noah to put representatives of every kind of land animal on the Ark. (Some dinosaurs were semiaquatic and could have survived outside the Ark.) But why put adult dinosaurs on the Ark? Young dinosaurs would take up less room, eat less, and be easier to manage. The purpose for having animals on board was so they could reproduce after the flood and repopulate the earth. Young dinosaurs would have more potential for reproduction than old dinosaurs.

Certain bones in dinosaur bodies show annual growth rings, as trees do. Dinosaurs, early in life and late in life, grew at very slow rates. During mid-life, they went through huge growth spurts.8 Therefore, during the year dinosaurs were on the Ark, juveniles probably weighed less than 60 pounds. (A 2-year-old T rex weighed 66 pounds. The largest T rex known, lived to be 28 years.9 Dinosaurs did not become large because they lived long lives.)
 
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