Dishonest handling of God's Word

[preacher4truth]

That's like saying all non-Cals have their doctrine based in the doctrine of the Albigenses (some of which is aberrant).
Prove your case that this is true of today's Calvinists.

And it's just like you saying Calvinists are anti sola scriptura per your unfounded accusation. Prove your case as well.

 

[Robert Snow]

1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

Then back up your charge with Scripture or bow out of the discussion.

No. I will post what I want and where I want and when I want. You don't like it, too bad!

 

[DHK]

And it's just like you saying Calvinists are anti sola scriptura per your unfounded accusation. Prove your case as well.

I will say it over again so you understand it.
When a poster posts from any one source as his authority, (and continues to do so more than the Bible) whether it be a creed, commentary or Institute, then that document has become his authority, and not the Word of God. He has denied the authority of Scripture and has replaced it with the authority of a man.

 

[DHK]

No. I will post what I want and where I want and when I want. You don't like it, too bad!

Your arrogance is against the rules.
You have lost the debate before you have even started.

 

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Rippon http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=2012257#post2012257
How can dishonesty not be done deliberately?!

You mean a Calvinist can't figure out how something can be dishonest and yet determined at the same time? :smilewinkgrin:

Now that is funny coming in a thread started by a Calvinist whining about tactics of "ESCAPISM"!!!..:laugh:

Nevermind...for those who don't get it. :laugh:

 

[saturneptune]

Your arrogance is against the rules.
You have lost the debate before you have even started.

So issue another infraction already.

 

[preacher4truth]

I will say it over again so you understand it.
When a poster posts from any one source as his authority, (and continues to do so more than the Bible) whether it be a creed, commentary or Institute, then that document has become his authority, and not the Word of God. He has denied the authority of Scripture and has replaced it with the authority of a man.

That's nice and is also unfounded as well. We've been through this, and you've accused me of this, until you found out that I've never made such claims nor have I alluded to any of these by your own admittance.

Now, go prove your case that Calvinists are anti sola scriptura without your OTHER unfounded diversions.

 

[DHK]

That's nice and is also unfounded as well. We've been through this, and you've accused me of this, until you found out that I've never made such claims nor have I alluded to any of these by your own admittance.

Now, go prove your case that Calvinists are anti sola scriptura without your OTHER unfounded diversions.

I can find examples of this on the board. You know I can. When it happens then those that do it have forsaken their position of sola scriptura. That is my stand. I need not to say any more on it.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

You expect too much. Really, though, what should we expect from those who only argue from their indoctrination?

The Archangel

:laugh: :laugh:

 

[preacher4truth]

I can find examples of this on the board. You know I can. When it happens then those that do it have forsaken their position of sola scriptura. That is my stand. I need not to say any more on it.

Then go find them. You've accused, go prove it, otherwise your accusations will remain mere accusations and will also remain unfounded.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

I simply cannot understand the vitriol I'm seeing here.

I used to enjoy coming here. Now, not so much.

 

[saturneptune]

I will say it over again so you understand it.
When a poster posts from any one source as his authority, (and continues to do so more than the Bible) whether it be a creed, commentary or Institute, then that document has become his authority, and not the Word of God. He has denied the authority of Scripture and has replaced it with the authority of a man.

This has nothing to do with using Scripture. Everyone on this board considers Scripture the final authority, the golden standard. What about you? One day you are hammering Arminians, and the next, Calvinists. That is called the wishy washy middle. Those who do not take a stand, stand for nothing. And your judgment gave me an infraction?

 

[preacher4truth]

This has nothing to do with using Scripture. Everyone on this board considers Scripture the final authority, the golden standard. What about you? One day you are hammering Arminians, and the next, Calvinists. That is called the wishy washy middle. Those who do not take a stand, stand for nothing. And your judgment gave me an infraction?

Exactly. Not one poster has posted any source as his or her authority over and above Scripture.

 

[saturneptune]

There is a reoccuring habit among many of the posters that contributes to simply dishonest handling of the scriptures. I call it ESCAPISM.
It is the habit of FLEEING the immediate context of any given text IF the facts of the immediate context condemn their intepretation. This turns into an endless cycle because when you follow them to where they escape they do the exact same thing again when the immediate context condemns their interpretation of the text they fled to.
Proper exegesis deals and defines a text by its immediate context FIRST and only when the immediate context does not provide SUFFICIENT data to do that, then and only then do we then proceed to a WIDER Biblical context where the same subject matter is discussed.
If this principle is not followed, then what follows is a never ending JUMP and PIT cycle or what I call ESCAPISM so that no context is fairly dealt with.
These same posters practice other eisgetical methods such as pitting scripture against scripture, pitting parables/spiritualizations against precepts and principles. These things are the NORM for a few on this forum and they know who they are.

You are good at context, maybe one of the best on this board. Basically, I think you are respected by posters on both sides of an issue, especially Calvin-free will debates. At the start of most any Bible, there is an article that tells "how to read the Bible."

First, assume there is one interpretation. There may be many, but only one is correct. To achieve this, the following has worked for me.

1. Focus on the word or verse, its meaning, translation, etc.
2. See how the word relates to other words in the verse, such as conjunctions and interjections.
3. Find the context of the chapter, book and Bible.
4. Finally, one must consider the culture, history, and geography.

 

[DHK]

This has nothing to do with using Scripture. Everyone on this board considers Scripture the final authority, the golden standard. What about you? One day you are hammering Arminians, and the next, Calvinists. That is called the wishy washy middle. Those who do not take a stand, stand for nothing. And your judgment gave me an infraction?

I looked on your profile. You have no infractions. Don't you ever let anything go?