Dishonorable Discharge

[Marooncat79]

Naval Seals have rejected it

I just heard that it is putting National Security at risk. IDK

 

[Revmitchell]

I understand their concerns but what I do not understand is the over the top reaction by some these people. Where are their brains, blocking hospitals giving those that are trying to save lives a hard time. I have a heart condition that could land me in hospital and quite frankly what they are doing is a great concern to me and my wife. Our hospitals are over loaded and they are considering doing triage to decide who gets care. I am old {71} so I would come at the end of the line so ya I am concerned with people not getting the shots but I am more concerned with what the dumb protests and misinformation are causing.

If people were being forced to get the shots I would protest but that is not the case. And yes it would have been nice if we could have had 10 yrs to test, but not possible. There is no easy solution to this but I do know that what is happening now is not it.
I hope that cooler heads will prevail.

its a handful of idiots doing that. The number of them is so small they aren’t a factor in anything. Don’t blow it out of proportion.

 

[Reynolds]

My post was not hypocrisy it was comment. I am tired of all the whining about the covid shots. Why don't these people be adults and just make a choice for themselves and let others make a choice for themselves. If you think something else will work then go for. Don't you find it a bit hypocritical for someone to complain that people are telling them what to do and then they turn around and tell others what to do. Really give your head a shake.

It's the vaccinated that are trying the hardest to tell the unvaxed what to do. The unvaxed are simply fighting back.

 

[Salty]

"would have been nice if we could have had 10 yrs to test, but not possible. There is no easy solution to this ....

And that is the key phrase!

Now, how about these questions - How many people have died from taking the shot. You say you have not heard of any? Is it because that it has been buried in the media? How many MD's and RN's have reservations of these shots? Locally, a doctor does a medical show on radio - and has expressed some reservation. I have a good friend who is an RN and is totally against the shot. Yes, I understand this is only 2 examples - but there is no doubt in my military mind that there are many more. Are they being - for lack of a better term - being blackemailed from being more vocal?

How about a show such as 60 minutes or 20-20 - having a true debate on the issue.

All, I am saying - is getting the full story.

Remember back in the day there were a few doctors who thought washing your hands before an operation was a good ideal. But most thought it was stupid. -- Just saying.

One last thing, Silverhair - many are being forced to get the shots......

 

[JonC]

And that is the key phrase!

Now, how about these questions - How many people have died from taking the shot. You say you have not heard of any? Is it because that it has been buried in the media? How many MD's and RN's have reservations of these shots? Locally, a doctor does a medical show on radio - and has expressed some reservation. I have a good friend who is an RN and is totally against the shot. Yes, I understand this is only 2 examples - but there is no doubt in my military mind that there are many more. Are they being - for lack of a better term - being blackemailed from being more vocal?

How about a show such as 60 minutes or 20-20 - having a true debate on the issue.

All, I am saying - is getting the full story.

Remember back in the day there were a few doctors who thought washing your hands before an operation was a good ideal. But most thought it was stupid. -- Just saying.

One last thing, Silverhair - many are being forced to get the shots......

There have been vaccine deaths....but we do not know how many were related to other issues. The total post vaccine mortality rate is .0026% of those who were vaccinated. So the risk is very small (much smaller than dying of covid) but there is a risk.

 

[Silverhair]

And that is the key phrase!

Now, how about these questions - How many people have died from taking the shot. You say you have not heard of any? Is it because that it has been buried in the media? How many MD's and RN's have reservations of these shots? Locally, a doctor does a medical show on radio - and has expressed some reservation. I have a good friend who is an RN and is totally against the shot. Yes, I understand this is only 2 examples - but there is no doubt in my military mind that there are many more. Are they being - for lack of a better term - being blackemailed from being more vocal?

How about a show such as 60 minutes or 20-20 - having a true debate on the issue.

All, I am saying - is getting the full story.

Remember back in the day there were a few doctors who thought washing your hands before an operation was a good ideal. But most thought it was stupid. -- Just saying.

One last thing, Silverhair - many are being forced to get the shots......

I agree that we need all the information put out there. And yes we have Drs and nurses that have voiced disagreement. Not sure if I would use blackmailed but I do remember a time when you could not go to school if you did not have your vax's up to date. And when I was in the forces we had to get vax's before we deployed to some areas.
I know that here in Canada you cannot be forced to take the vax {that's the law} but an employer can make having the vax a condition of employment. I know a number of them have said they will do that. I think people are just trying to get this covid thing under control.
What gets me is they complain about the restrictions because of the covid and then refuse to get the shot so we can stop this thing. Go figure.

 

[Silverhair]

its a handful of idiots doing that. The number of them is so small they aren’t a factor in anything. Don’t blow it out of proportion.

It may well be a small number that are doing really dumb things but they are still causing serious problems at hospitals and such. When we have Drs & nurses that are afraid to go to work, that are being harassed, spit on etc. what are we supposed to think.
If putting restrictions on those that refuse to get vaxed so the 80% can get back to a more normal life then perhaps that is what we have to do for a short time.
I think we would call that an intervention in some cases. Sometimes you just have to step in to help those that are incapable or not will to helping themselves.
Now how is that for an explosive idea.
And if you think that those people are not a factor in anything then just check the news.

 

[Silverhair]

It's the vaccinated that are trying the hardest to tell the unvaxed what to do. The unvaxed are simply fighting back.

I have not said they have to get vaxed but they do have to accept the restrictions that come with that choice. And there in is the problem. They want no vax and no restrictions.
Only children figure that there are no consequences to their action or choices.

 

[Reynolds]

I have not said they have to get vaxed but they do have to accept the restrictions that come with that choice. And there in is the problem. They want no vax and no restrictions.
Only children figure that there are no consequences to their action or choices.

The consequences must be logical. When a vax does not stop or even meaningfully slow transmission, the consequences are serving no purpose other than a punitive coercion to force one to give up liberty.

If your vax works, why do you care about who is and is not vaxed.

 

[JonC]

The consequences must be logical. When a vax does not stop or even meaningfully slow transmission, the consequences are serving no purpose other than a punitive coercion to force one to give up liberty.

If your vax works, why do you care about who is and is not vaxed.

Because the vaccine works to provide the functional immunity the experts say it provides, but not the sterilising immunity some think it should, and vaccines are not 100% effective.

 

[Reynolds]

Because the vaccine works to provide the functional immunity the experts say it provides, but not the sterilising immunity some think it should, and vaccines are not 100% effective.

Unless it provides sterilising immunity it's pointless.

 

[JonC]

Unless it provides sterilising immunity it's pointless.

Except, like other vaccines that do not provide sterilising immunity (flu vaccine, measles vaccine, pneumonia vaccine, etc.) it saves lives.

 

[Reynolds]

Except, like other vaccines that do not provide sterilising immunity (flu vaccine, measles vaccine, pneumonia vaccine, etc.) it saves lives.

Saves lives? Does not stop transmission. Does not stop symptomatic infection. I have a better immunity than most vaccinated people, but I am supposed to have extra restrictions placed on me. JonC, a bunch of fools are running this nation. This is pure foolishness. Even the EU and Australia recognize natural immunity.
I am sick of (others) driving the fear behind this SCAMdemic.

 

[JonC]

Saves lives? Does not stop transmission. Does not stop symptomatic infection. I have a better immunity than most vaccinated people, but I am supposed to have extra restrictions placed on me. JonC, a bunch of fools are running this nation. This is pure foolishness. Even the EU and Australia recognize natural immunity.
I am sick of (others) driving the fear behind this SCAMdemic.

Yes. Just like the measles vaccine. It has saved lives and minimized the spread of measles.

The problem with cling the pandemic a "scamdemic" is many of us have known people who have died of covid or are Atilla suffering from having had the virus. I told you about a family member. I told you about a few friends. One of my wife's friends had covid last year and is still on oxygen (portable oxygen, he is not in the hospital).

I am glad you think civid us a scam. But I think perhaps many more know it us not.

That said, believing it is a scam I understand why you would think a vaccine unnecessary. Knowing it can be deadly, I disagree. Each of us base our views on our experience.

 

[Reynolds]

Yes. Just like the measles vaccine. It has saved lives and minimized the spread of measles.

The problem with cling the pandemic a "scamdemic" is many of us have known people who have died of covid or are Atilla suffering from having had the virus. I told you about a family member. I told you about a few friends. One of my wife's friends had covid last year and is still on oxygen (portable oxygen, he is not in the hospital).

I am glad you think civid us a scam. But I think perhaps many more know it us not.

That said, believing it is a scam I understand why you would think a vaccine unnecessary. Knowing it can be deadly, I disagree. Each of us base our views on our experience.

The virus is not a scam. The reaction to the virus is a scam to take control of the population. The virus is a respritory virus that has a fatality rate similar to the seasonal flu.
The chance a healthy person will not die of Covid is 99.97%. So yes, the over reaction to this virus is a scam.
One of the Covid nurses at our local hospital told me that my doctor came by the Covid ward and was joking with them that they needed to get the Covid patients well and make room for his flu patients. He said "you know this is my flu ward.". She said hospital Dr on duty told him "you didn't have any flu patients last year and you won't have any this year." They then both laughed.

 

[JonC]

The virus is not a scam. The reaction to the virus is a scam to take control of the population. The virus is a respritory virus that has a fatality rate similar to the seasonal flu.
The chance a healthy person will not die of Covid is 99.97%. So yes, the over reaction to this virus is a scam.
One of the Covid nurses at our local hospital told me that my doctor came by the Covid ward and was joking with them that they needed to get the Covid patients well and make room for his flu patients. He said "you know this is my flu ward.". She said hospital Dr on duty told him "you didn't have any flu patients last year and you won't have any this year." They then both laughed.

Ah.....sorry, I misunderstood ya.

I would not expect much flu as covid is more contageous (it'd be like putting up a steel net to stop red fish and being shocked large sharks didn't make it through).

That saud; it is unfortunate that so many have had the flu and died of the flu. I wonder if people will bypass flu shots thinking the covid vaccines will somehow prevent influenza.

That said, I agree. Both overreaction and underreaction can be a scam.

 

[Revmitchell]

It may well be a small number that are doing really dumb things but they are still causing serious problems at hospitals and such. When we have Drs & nurses that are afraid to go to work, that are being harassed, spit on etc. what are we supposed to think.
If putting restrictions on those that refuse to get vaxed so the 80% can get back to a more normal life then perhaps that is what we have to do for a short time.
I think we would call that an intervention in some cases. Sometimes you just have to step in to help those that are incapable or not will to helping themselves.
Now how is that for an explosive idea.
And if you think that those people are not a factor in anything then just check the news.

they aren’t even showing up in the news.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

Why don't these people be adults and just make a choice for themselves and let others make a choice for themselves.

We have no anti-vaccine mandates. Yet, there's nothing so noble in sitting back and watching you kill yourself.

 

[JonC]

It may well be a small number that are doing really dumb things but they are still causing serious problems at hospitals and such. When we have Drs & nurses that are afraid to go to work, that are being harassed, spit on etc. what are we supposed to think.
If putting restrictions on those that refuse to get vaxed so the 80% can get back to a more normal life then perhaps that is what we have to do for a short time.
I think we would call that an intervention in some cases. Sometimes you just have to step in to help those that are incapable or not will to helping themselves.
Now how is that for an explosive idea.
And if you think that those people are not a factor in anything then just check the news.

Yep.

The Jolt: Anti-vaxxers shut down vaccination event, harass state health workers

Georgia anti-vaxxers shut down mobile vaccine event

Anti-vaccine, anti-mask demonstrations across U.S. take violent turns

Anti-vaccination protesters in Georgia shut down vaccine clinic, harass health workers

 

[Silverhair]

they aren’t even showing up in the news.

What news are you watching? If you continue to keep your eyes closed you will not see anything.