DISPENSATIONALISM

[Yeshua1]

The way Paul used the words/phrases concerning “dispensation” or “age” is not the same way modern “dispensationalist” use them.

For example, in Ephesians Paul states that the union of Jews and Gentiles into “one new man” by the cross of Christ will demonstrate Christ’s grace “in the ages to come”.

This truth clearly demonstrates the union of Jew and Gentile into “one new man” is a permanent condition. It will never change. The “age” of grace will never end.

This truth destroys the dispensationalism belief of a separate future for Israel and the Church and that the “age of grace” will end.

So, even though the “words” used in scripture may be the same used by didpensationist, the dispensationalist lays a meaning on those words that are foreign to what the writers of scripture intended.

peace to you

People who were saved in the OT were under the NC of Grace even there, as God saves all lost sinners by same Cross of Christ!

 

[kyredneck]

Wow, check the poll out. When I joined the BB waaaay back in '09' I'm pretty sure Dispys were the majority here.

 

[kathleenmariekg]

Wow, check the poll out. When I joined the BB waaaay back in '09' I'm pretty sure Dispys were the majority here.

I was surprised too.

 

[MB]

The way Paul used the words/phrases concerning “dispensation” or “age” is not the same way modern “dispensationalist” use them.

For example, in Ephesians Paul states that the union of Jews and Gentiles into “one new man” by the cross of Christ will demonstrate Christ’s grace “in the ages to come”.

This truth clearly demonstrates the union of Jew and Gentile into “one new man” is a permanent condition. It will never change. The “age” of grace will never end.

This truth destroys the dispensationalism belief of a separate future for Israel and the Church and that the “age of grace” will end.

So, even though the “words” used in scripture may be the same used by dispensationalist, the dispensationalist lays a meaning on those words that are foreign to what the writers of scripture intended.

peace to you

Where specifically in Ephesians does it say what you are writing about. You say this is truth it yet you do not show the passages.
MB

 

[1689Dave]

Lets talk about the doctrine of Dispensation


One question I do have is "Can you believe in or not believe the Dispensation Doctrine and still go to heaven?"

I believe Dispensationalism places the Papal Antichrist, as identified by the Reformers, into Protestant Churches of our day. His control remains, only now through false doctrines originally created by the Jesuits to deceive Protestants into thinking the Antichrist is yet future. I think Dispensationalism and Pentecostalism are both parts of the great apostasy that precede the Lord's return. Salvation is of Grace so some of the most deceived could still wake up in Heaven.

 

[kathleenmariekg]

came across this web page today:
Is Dispensationalism Indispensable? | Christian Research Institute

I started off really appreciating this article, but as I read further, I started getting uneasy, and then at the end came to this conclusion that I think is oversimplified.

Either all the Christian scholars prior to 1830 have been wrong about the central teachings of the New Testament or else the dispensationalists are wrong.​

It is not this black and white.

 

[MB]

Wow, check the poll out. When I joined the BB waaaay back in '09' I'm pretty sure Dispys were the majority here.

Majority doesn't make them right.
MB

 

[MB]

The way Paul used the words/phrases concerning “dispensation” or “age” is not the same way modern “dispensationalist” use them.

For example, in Ephesians Paul states that the union of Jews and Gentiles into “one new man” by the cross of Christ will demonstrate Christ’s grace “in the ages to come”.

This truth clearly demonstrates the union of Jew and Gentile into “one new man” is a permanent condition. It will never change. The “age” of grace will never end.

This truth destroys the dispensationalism belief of a separate future for Israel and the Church and that the “age of grace” will end.

So, even though the “words” used in scripture may be the same used by dispensationalist, the dispensationalist lays a meaning on those words that are foreign to what the writers of scripture intended.

peace to you

God never breaks a promise.Remember God never changes His mind..

 

[canadyjd]

Where specifically in Ephesians does it say what you are writing about. You say this is truth it yet you do not show the passages.
MB

Ephesians 2:1-10

 

[kyredneck]

Where specifically in Ephesians does it say what you are writing about. You say this is truth it yet you do not show the passages.
MB

...I guess he wrongly assumed that MB was skilled enough with the scriptures to find it on his own. Maybe it's not about 'skilled', but being 'lazy' on your part.

 

[canadyjd]

God never breaks a promise.Remember God never changes His mind..

Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, Matthew 5:17. All the promises of God are fulfilled in the coming of Jesus Christ.

Did Jesus fail in His specific mission to fulfill the Law and the Prophets?

peace to you

 

[kyredneck]

All the promises of God are fulfilled in the coming of Jesus Christ.

Amen!

19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timothy, was not yea and nay, but in him is yea.
20 For how many soever be the promises of God, in him is the yea: wherefore also through him is the Amen, unto the glory of God through us. 2 Cor 1

 

[canadyjd]

Amen!

19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timothy, was not yea and nay, but in him is yea.
20 For how many soever be the promises of God, in him is the yea: wherefore also through him is the Amen, unto the glory of God through us. 2 Cor 1

I had not remembered that particular passage. That is the exclamation point! The Amen!

Thanks

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Wow, check the poll out. When I joined the BB waaaay back in '09' I'm pretty sure Dispys were the majority here.

Looks like sound biblical teaching pays off.

peace to you

 

[MB]

Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, Matthew 5:17. All the promises of God are fulfilled in the coming of Jesus Christ.

Did Jesus fail in His specific mission to fulfill the Law and the Prophets?

peace to you

I read @:1-10 but I didn't get the same message as you did. There is nothing about becoming one people there. Maybe this is what you meant by saying

For example, in Ephesians Paul states that the union of Jews and Gentiles into “one new man” by the cross of Christ will demonstrate Christ’s grace “in the ages to come”

Maybe you meant Eph 2 15
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;-KJV This is the only verse I know of that states the term "One new man"
Even this doesn't say what you said. Maybe you forgot what you said. At any rate I could not find such a verse that would back up your statement.
MB

 

[canadyjd]

I read @:1-10 but I didn't get the same message as you did. There is nothing about becoming one people there. Maybe this is what you meant by saying

Maybe you meant Eph 2 15
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;-KJV This is the only verse I know of that states the term "One new man"
Even this doesn't say what you said. Maybe you forgot what you said. At any rate I could not find such a verse that would back up your statement.
MB

I stand corrected. Ephesians 2: the whole chapter. Paul is very clear in Ephesians 2 that the two groups (Jew and Gentile) have been made into “one new man” by the work of Jesus on the cross. Both groups (as the one new man) have access to the Father, through the Spirit.

Further more, this truth will demonstrate the grace if Jesus Christ “in the ages to come”.

Did you see the phrase “in the ages to come”? Perhaps that means something to you.

peace to you

 

[kyredneck]

Paul is very clear in Ephesians 2 that the two groups (Jew and Gentile) have been made into “one new man”

Christ was very clear about it also:

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they shall become one flock, one shepherd. Jn 10

 

[George Antonios]

Lets talk about the doctrine of Dispensation


One question I do have is "Can you believe in or not believe the Dispensation Doctrine and still go to heaven?"

I am a dispensationalist and believe you can be saved whether you are one or not.
Salvation, in the church age, depends exclusively on if a person at one point in their life trusted nothing but the righteousness of Christ to save them from judgment.
The only time ignoring the doctrine can lead to hell is as in the case of, sadly, many (though not all), Catholics and Orthodox, who imagine themselves under the teachings of Christ in the gospels, or of James, and thus, consistently with their understanding, work to earn their salvation at least in part, believing in faith+works, and therefore never come to trust only the righteousness of Christ.
But as for the people on this board who declare they trust nothing but the righteousness of Christ, then they are saved, whether they are dispensationalists or not.

 

[MB]

I stand corrected. Ephesians 2: the whole chapter. Paul is very clear in Ephesians 2 that the two groups (Jew and Gentile) have been made into “one new man” by the work of Jesus on the cross. Both groups (as the one new man) have access to the Father, through the Spirit.

Further more, this truth will demonstrate the grace if Jesus Christ “in the ages to come”.

Did you see the phrase “in the ages to come”? Perhaps that means something to you.

peace to you

I wouldn't go so far as to say groups because in my Bible Paul is speaking about the singular "One New Man" It says to me we now all have access to the Father. It does not say Gentiles are now Jews but that we are on the same level. Where before we were separate.because Gentiles were lost with out hope. Now the lost do have the possibility of Salvation.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

-Somewhat. There are aspects of both Dispensationalism and CT that don't sit right with me. I read Gentry and Wellum's 'Kingdom through Covenant' recently and felt their particular middle ground proposal made a lot of sense.

-I believe it is a non-essential issue to a person's salvation. A lot of Christians probably haven't even given it serious thought.

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