Dispensationalism,

[Eternally Grateful]

No it's not, but here is the wonderful Grace of our Christ,

He came only for the lost sheep of Israel, but He in His great mercy never turned down the faith of a Gentile.

We see it over and over again in the Gospels, Christ healing and saving the Gentiles, though He came only for the lost sheep of Israel.

If you noticed in Acts, the Jews with peter were "astonished" they shocked when they see the Gentiles being saving under Peter's preaching.

This is the mystery Paul spoke of as being hidden from man in the past, that God would also save those of the Gentiles.

He sent Jonah to Nineveh

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Is it possible to add a poll to this thread at this point.
I think it would be helpful for the discussion to know how many people believe that salvation is different in different dispensations.
Hebrews should teach anyone that all, no matter when they lived, have salvation by faith.
So now that everyone knows how they should answer the question, I think it would clear up what kind of discussion this is.

I know a few who think they jew was saved by law.. not grace, but they are a small minority of those who believe in dispensational teaching

 

[Charlie24]

No it's not, but here is the wonderful Grace of our Christ,

He came only for the lost sheep of Israel, but He in His great mercy never turned down the faith of a Gentile.

We see it over and over again in the Gospels, Christ healing and saving the Gentiles, though He came only for the lost sheep of Israel.

If you noticed in Acts, the Jews with peter were "astonished" they shocked when they see the Gentiles being saving under Peter's preaching.

This is the mystery Paul spoke of as being hidden from man in the past, that God would also save those of the Gentiles.

Col. 1:26-28

"Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:"

God called Israel to take the Gospel to the Gentiles, and came to save Israel for that purpose, that was hidden from man until after Christ left this earth.

 

[Ben1445]

He sent Jonah to Nineveh

He also allowed Ruth, Rahab, and a mixed multitude of Egypt to join the Israelites.
Balaam delivered the words of the Lord to Balak. But Balaam was killed by the Israelites in conquest.
God uses and allows all people.
Cyrus was not Jewish. God used him.
Nebuchadnezzar was not Jewish. God sent him personal messages in dreams and made him to know who God is.
But to the Jews are committed the oracles of God. By the keepers of the Cannon, we have Scripture and through their line a Savior.
God has always loved His creation and made the world before the fall in such a way that man would seek God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

He also allowed Ruth, Rahab, and a mixed multitude of Egypt to join the Israelites.
Balaam delivered the words of the Lord to Balak. But Balaam was killed by the Israelites in conquest.
God uses and allows all people.
Cyrus was not Jewish. God used him.
Nebuchadnezzar was not Jewish. God sent him personal messages in dreams and made him to know who God is.
But to the Jews are committed the oracles of God. By the keepers of the Cannon, we have Scripture and through their line a Savior.
God has always loved His creation and made the world before the fall in such a way that man would seek God.

He also said Israel would have to wait 400 years because the sin of the Amorite was not yet complete.. It was not until any chance of repentance was gone that he acted. Just like int he flood

 

[JesusFan]

Salvation has always been by grace through faith..

In any dispensation this is true.

thats where most people misunderstand the dispensational mindset. they believe we thought people were saved different ways. This is not true

many got that wrong belief from the original Scofield bible study notes, taht did seem to indicate under OC were saved by their obedience and good works to the Law

 

[Eternally Grateful]

many got that wrong belief from the original Scofield bible study notes, taht did seem to indicate under OC were saved by their obedience and good works to the Law

I have seen this accusation many times

I have that scofield bible. and I tried to research this to see if it was true. I never saw this in anything he said.

Also if you research him, he denies this to be the case.

 

[Van]

I am a Progressive Dispensationalist, not a Traditional Dispensationalist. I believe the New Covenant saints are grafted into the promise of the Everlasting Covenant. Thus I am a Gentile descendant of Abraham. We had at least one dispensation, or manner in which God dealt with humanity, before the giving of the Law of Moses. We certainly had the dispensation under the Law of Moses. Now we are in the dispensation under the Law of Liberty. When Christ returns, we will be under the dispensation of Christ's earthly reign. And then the eternal dispensation.

 

[JesusFan]

I have seen this accusation many times

I have that scofield bible. and I tried to research this to see if it was true. I never saw this in anything he said.

Also if you research him, he denies this to be the case.

Thanks!
A misunderstanding of Scofield's position arose from a poorly worded note on John 1:17 in the 1909 edition of the Scofield Reference Bible. The note stated that during the "Dispensation of Grace," "legal obedience" was "no longer" the "condition of salvation," leading some to wrongly infer that it once had been.
The editors of the 1967 edition of the New Scofield Reference Bible clarified the note to align with Scofield's actual theology, stating that the law was insufficient for salvation and that salvation prior to the cross was by faith based on Christ's atonement.

 

[JesusFan]

I have seen this accusation many times

I have that scofield bible. and I tried to research this to see if it was true. I never saw this in anything he said.

Also if you research him, he denies this to be the case.

There does seem to be some though even today stating the jews have still a Covenant relationship with Yahweh, like the Law still saved them, while we gentiles get saved under new Covenant

 

[Charlie24]

I am a Progressive Dispensationalist, not a Traditional Dispensationalist. I believe the New Covenant saints are grafted into the promise of the Everlasting Covenant. Thus I am a Gentile descendant of Abraham. We had at least one dispensation, or manner in which God dealt with humanity, before the giving of the Law of Moses. We certainly had the dispensation under the Law of Moses. Now we are in the dispensation under the Law of Liberty. When Christ returns, we will be under the dispensation of Christ's earthly reign. And then the eternal dispensation.

That is very much correct, Van! If I'm reading you correctly.

All through the Old Testament Scripture the Gentiles were grafted into Covenant with Israel, those who believed in the God of Israel.

It's no different in the New Testament with us Gentiles being grafted into their New Covenant.

We Gentiles are the descendants of Abraham by faith.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There does seem to be some though even today stating the jews have still a Covenant relationship with Yahweh, like the Law still saved them, while we gentiles get saved under new Covenant

Yes. One may be in this chatroom. I have met him in other chatrooms.. But he also has alot of weird beliefs so..

 

[Ben1445]

Thanks!
A misunderstanding of Scofield's position arose from a poorly worded note on John 1:17 in the 1909 edition of the Scofield Reference Bible. The note stated that during the "Dispensation of Grace," "legal obedience" was "no longer" the "condition of salvation," leading some to wrongly infer that it once had been.
The editors of the 1967 edition of the New Scofield Reference Bible clarified the note to align with Scofield's actual theology, stating that the law was insufficient for salvation and that salvation prior to the cross was by faith based on Christ's atonement.

Are there any examples of anyone under the old covenant who were justified under it by leaving it?
It is a matter of dead faith vs living faith. If a person under the old covenant denies following the law, he shows that he is not following God. If one under the law accepts following the law he must still recognize that he is not able to keep the law.
This is why OT saints are “just,” living by faith, the same as the NT “just shall live by faith.
It is also said in the NT that faith without works is dead. If the faith that is had does nothing in a persons life his faith is as vain (empty) as the man himself.
James could be accused of the same “heresy” as Scofield, in that he says works accompany faith. If you view it differently and say that works are necessary for faith or that works are necessary for salvation you are saying something close enough to confuse the listener into a misunderstanding of what the Bible says.
In short, there is no way, as a person under the mosaic covenant, to say that you refuse to follow the Law of God and still follow God. In this way you cannot look at Scofield and say that he believed in works salvation for the old covenant.