Dispensationalists similar to JWs.

[peterotto]

Gary Demar wrote a blog on the similarities of Dispensationalists and the JWs. He only scratched the surface though, there is much more he didn't mention. For example, JWs and Dispensationalism started around the same time...anyways

You can read the Blog Here

In the article, Gary Demar points out how difficult it is to get dispensationalists to answer/debate their view. I get the same treatment here. Antiaging and Tailwhipped just don't want to answer the plain and simple questions.

For the Christians out there, the AmericanVision.org website is something that should be added to the internet explorer Bookmarks, imo. It is the first Christian link I click on in the morning.

That is all.

 

[DHK]

Shall I write a blog on the similarities on Calvinism, Covenant Theology, Reformed theology, and the RCC?
It all stems from Augustine anyway.

 

[Joe]

DHK if you would, check out the Life is in the Blood post 42. Wondering if a woman was owned by her husband, like in owning property. There is a difference of opinion upon who the offense is upon when a man strikes a wife with child (pregnant lady). You seem to understand headship like no others here (from reading the headcovering threads) thought you would know. Thanks
Sorry to derail, back to discussion

 

[Tom Bryant]

I am not a dispensationalist, but it is wrong to try to tie in a cult group like the JW's with dispensationalists.

It may be that no one wants to answer your questions because they don't want to answer a fool according to his folly. Or it may be that debating these kind of issues never builds up, it only tears down. Or it may be that they are like me and just don't think it is a good use of the time God gave us. (For example the 45 seconds I have lost typing this.

 

[TCGreek]

Gary Demar wrote a blog on the similarities of Dispensationalists and the JWs. He only scratched the surface though, there is much more he didn't mention. For example, JWs and Dispensationalism started around the same time...anyways

You can read the Blog Here

In the article, Gary Demar points out how difficult it is to get dispensationalists to answer/debate their view. I get the same treatment here. Antiaging and Tailwhipped just don't want to answer the plain and simple questions.

For the Christians out there, the AmericanVision.org website is something that should be added to the internet explorer Bookmarks, imo. It is the first Christian link I click on in the morning.

That is all.

I read the article and Mr. Demar has taken an arbitrary approach in this compilation.

He is clearly seen as nitpicking and has no scriptural basis for this idle venture.

It is firmly established in Scripture that God has been working with through various Dispensations.

 

[Rooselk]

I certainly wouldn't lump dispensationalists with Jehovah's Witnesses. That said, it's also no secret that dispensationalism came onto the scene in roughly the same era as the Campbellites, Mormons, Adventists, and Jehovah's Witnesses. I see no good reason to throw out the church's historic view of last things that existed for eighteen hundred years prior to any of the above mentioned movements and doctrines.

 

[peterotto]

See Linky HERE

 

[Ed Edwards]

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In the article, Gary Demar points out how difficult it is to get dispensationalists to answer/debate their view. I get the same treatment here. Antiaging and Tailwhipped just don't want to answer the plain and simple questions.

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Strange. I've posted (several places on this board) my view of dispensationalism (i.e. my own theory of dispensationalism) basing it on scriptures. Nobody much seemed interested in discussing it. Would anybody care to look my writing over in this thread? Just say "yes, ed, I'd like share your view of dispensationalism.

-Ed Edwards,
still trying to convince folks that their doctrines should not be based on one and only one verse. God mentions the most true doctrines most often. I think the Concept of Individual Salvation is mentined in the Bible more than any other Doctrine - Must be important to God, eh?

 

[webdog]

I certainly wouldn't lump dispensationalists with Jehovah's Witnesses. That said, it's also no secret that dispensationalism came onto the scene in roughly the same era as the Campbellites, Mormons, Adventists, and Jehovah's Witnesses. I see no good reason to throw out the church's historic view of last things that existed for eighteen hundred years prior to any of the above mentioned movements and doctrines.

I find it much sooner than that...like I and II Thessalonians!

 

[Ed Edwards]

I find it much sooner than that...like I and II Thessalonians!

Yep, Brother Webdog. It is easy to see who is NOT BEREAN around here. Especially the Baptists should have their own Theology from reading the Bible, not from listening to TV preachers.

My eschatology comes from the N.T. The last book, Revelation, was written about AD 0096, 26 years after the destruction of the Jewish Temple by the Romans under General Titus (later Emperor). My eschatology does NOT come from millionaire fiction writing TV preachers nor their 19th century (l1801-1900) equivalents

 

[John of Japan]

Gary Demar wrote a blog on the similarities of Dispensationalists and the JWs. He only scratched the surface though, there is much more he didn't mention. For example, JWs and Dispensationalism started around the same time...anyways

You can read the Blog Here

In the article, Gary Demar points out how difficult it is to get dispensationalists to answer/debate their view. I get the same treatment here. Antiaging and Tailwhipped just don't want to answer the plain and simple questions.

For the Christians out there, the AmericanVision.org website is something that should be added to the internet explorer Bookmarks, imo. It is the first Christian link I click on in the morning.

That is all.

Are you aware that DeMar is a Reconstructionist, and supports the establishment of a theocracy in America? Hardly the best source for information to oppose dispensationalism. Last time Reformed people got ahold of a government (in various places during the Reformation, when they persecuted other believers) it was a disaster.

 

[Beth]

avoid him

Gary Demar wrote a blog on the similarities of Dispensationalists and the JWs. He only scratched the surface though, there is much more he didn't mention. For example, JWs and Dispensationalism started around the same time...anyways

You can read the Blog Here

In the article, Gary Demar points out how difficult it is to get dispensationalists to answer/debate their view. I get the same treatment here. Antiaging and Tailwhipped just don't want to answer the plain and simple questions.

For the Christians out there, the AmericanVision.org website is something that should be added to the internet explorer Bookmarks, imo. It is the first Christian link I click on in the morning.

That is all.

I would personally avoid Gary DeMar. He is a proponent of Christian Reconstructionism and Dominionism.....both of which are serious doctrinal erros, IMO.

I recently tried to warn our homeschooling ladies about Vision Forum, another "ministry" which is dominionist/reconstructionist in nature.

WAY too much Scripture has to be either ignored or spiritualized in order to bend into a post millenial or even amillenial position.

 

[Beth]

theonomy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theonomy

The above is a definition from a wiki for theonomy. I am sure there are those who are unfamiliar with the term.

Theonomy derives from covenant theology....basically, in my opinion, there is a misunderstanding of the covenants. Theonomists believe in the selective enforcement of Old Testament laws on nations. I believe they think is part of their mandate to get the world subdued in order for Christ to return.

Kinism is another rather chilling error from this camp....very disturbing as well.

 

[swaimj]

JWs and Dispensationalism started around the same time...anyways

The New American Standard's version of the New Testament and Playboy magazine were first published at about the same time. Does that mean they are related? JFK and C.S. Lewis both died the same day. What is the connection there? This kind of argument can lead to any goofy conclusion given a little imagination.

 

[peterotto]

Are you aware that DeMar is a Reconstructionist, and supports the establishment of a theocracy in America?

I see your concerns. Just like every theologian, we need to validate their claims with Scripture. Acts 17:11.

Regardless of his position on the capital punishment, home schooling, "world view", and everything else that deals with government. He does an excellent job on exposing dispensationalism. Those are the only articles I enjoy reading. As for the reconstructionists view, I find them lacking.


Thanks for the heads-up. :thumbs: I'll keep a lookout.

 

[Linda64]

I see your concerns. Just like every theologian, we need to validate their claims with Scripture. Acts 11:17.

Acts 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Instead of Acts 11:17, don't you mean Acts 17:11?

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

BTW, I am in agreement with Beth and John of Japan about Gary DeMar.

 

[just-want-peace]

Especially the Baptists should have their own Theology from reading the Bible, not from listening to TV preachers.

BINGO!!!!

As well as a great portion of internet posters!:thumbs:

 

[gb93433]

The problem with so much of dispensationalism is that it is much like any other man-made theological system. Those who subscribe to it, always interpret through the filter of the theological system. Dispensationalism has gone through two major changes in the last forty years.

Darby is the person who started it. However some will claim that dispensationalism goes back to Jesus.

There were the days of Darby. Larkin, and McIntosh. Then Ryrie followed by several modern day folks who believe in progressive dispensationalism. I wonder if there is any parallel to progressive revelation and evolution--constantly changing.

While I have many friends who studied in dispensationalist schools I admire their tenacity, eagerness to study, and interpret scripture. The one hurdle I have run into when I ask them how they would explain certain parts of the system. Not one has been able to explain every part of it. Every person has told me that they never understood some part and then did not then. I have talked with people who have gone to Biola and Talbot mostly. A lot of them stumble around Matthew 5:17, ""Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill." For years I had heard it preached from the pulpit that we are under grace and the OT does not pertain anymore.

 

[gb93433]

Shall I write a blog on the similarities on Calvinism, Covenant Theology, Reformed theology, and the RCC?
It all stems from Augustine anyway.

I assume form what you have written previopusly that you would believe the Diadache because it was such an early document.

 

[gb93433]

What I find interesting is the fact that there was not one professor at SWBTS who was a dispensationalist until recently.