Dispensationalists

How did Origen compare timewise with
Augustine?

Origen, Alexandrian theologian (ca 185AD- ca 254AD.

Augustine, (354 - 430AD), Bishop of Hippo, North Africa

 

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DICTIONARY of PREMILLENNIAL THEOLOGY (Kregel, 1996):
page 289, the article on Origen:

"Alexandrian theologian Origen (ca 185 - ca 254) was the first
church leader of stature to challenge the premillennial orthordoxy
of the early church. Completely dedicated to the allegorical
method of interpertation like his mentor, Clement of Alexandria,
Origen spiritualize virtually every Christian doctrine."

Recall that if you spiritualize eschatology, you end up with
some a-millinnial position.

 

We look forward to that. We understand
you do shift work and can't be on the board
at the same time most of us are.

Be careful about those who know all about
how the early Christians felt but
tell you nothing nothing about
detecting 21st Century (2001-2100) propaganda.
Many of those sites are still
20th century (1901-2000) propaganda,
but there mantra isn't going to change.
Some seem more interersted in control for
profit than God's Word for prophet.

 

DHK,

You should do more research before you make false claims of Origen being the first to use ALLEGORY and PARABLES. Both Christ and Paul used them. The method was used during the time of Christ and he used many parables, thus not disputing it’s proper use.

PARABLE - DICTIONARY: THAYER'S:

paroimia -
1) a saying out of the usual course or deviating from the usual manner of speaking
1a) a current or trite saying, a proverb
2) any dark saying which shadows forth some didactic truth
2a) especially a symbolic or figurative saying
2b) speech or discourse in which a thing is illustrated by the use of similes and comparisons
2c) an allegory
2c1) extended and elaborate metaphor

Origins of Paul's use of Allegrizing Galatians 4:24-27 as in the "Restoration Quarterly"

http://www.restorationquarterly.org/Volume_040/rq04002mclane.htm

"These things are intended to convey a deeper meaning." The verb itself means to "speak allegorically," which indicates that the word has had a history of development. The word is of late Greek origin and actually came to replace in usage the word did come into common use, it first referred to allegory as a mode of expression; i.e., it meant figurative language. Later on, it was used to denote allegory as a method of exegesis; i.e., it meant allegorical interpretation.
Following Philo and other Hellenistic allegorists, the noun came to describe the "figurative interpretation of an authoritative text." This meaning, coupled with the intention to convey a deeper meaning, becomes a crucial definition when seeking to understand Paul's use...Actually, the distinction is between Paul's use of a present passive (deponent) participle and a noun. It is the difference between his identification of the original narrative as an allegory and his actual practice of allegorizing the original event.

Now that you see that Christ spoke in PARABLES often and Paul also used the method, I do hope that you, as well as others who make false claims, will refrain from doing so in the best interest of being factually correct.

I take offence to this and is as it is not accurately representing Amillenialists origins.

 

1Pe 4:10 (KJV1611):
As euery man hath receiued the gift,
euen so minister the same one to another,
as good stewards* of the manifold grace of God.

* from Strong's

G3623
οἰκονόμος
oikonomos
oy-kon-om'-os
From G3624 and the base of G3551; a house distributor (that is, manager), or overseer, that is, an employee in that capacity; by extension a fiscal agent (treasurer); figuratively a preacher (of the Gospel): - chamberlain, governor, steward.

Remember the Greek OIKONOMOS is the word from which we
get "economy"

We are to be dispensational of the manifold grace of God
as the Holy Spirit has given us gifts.

 

Dispensationalists are strange people.

1. They argue that just because dispensationalism is a relatively new doctrine does not mean that it is wrong.
2. Yet they beat others over the head because our doctrine dates from the early Church fathers, actually from Scripture itself.
3. They have not been able to show one passage of Scripture that teaches a pretrib rapture or that teaches Jesus Christ offered the Jews an earthly Messianic kingdom which they rejected.
4. They accuse amillennialists of following heretical teachings or being pseudo Romanists. They can’t make up their mind which is the father of the allegorical method of interpretation Origen or Augustine and who is the worst heretic, Origen, Augustine, or amillennialists in general.
5. I have not seen anyone accuse the dispensationalists of being heretics even though the stalwarts of dispensational doctrine such as Chafer, Ryrie, Walvoord, Pentecost, etc. accuse Jesus Christ of failing His appointed task. They worry more about being called followers of Darby than they do calling fellow Christians heretics; gnostics; quacks; liars; ignorant; devoid of reason, truth, reality, or intellectual honesty; obscene; evil and sinful; and either a lying dog or a blind drunk.
6. There are some who waste 27 hours because someone yanked their chain when they could have better spent that time studying Scripture. Must be terrible being chained!
7. And then there are some clever enough to understand that if you turn 999 upside down it is 666, and he only gets paid $37/hr.

 

ROFL!!!!!











AMEN!

 

Originally Posted by OldRegular:
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Actually believing that there will be a pretrib rapture and millenial reign of Christ, makes one a follower of Darby/Scofield in the same way that being a cat makes one a cat!
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Posted by Ed Edwards:
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DICTIONARY of PREMILLENNIAL THEOLOGY (Kregel, 1996):
page 289, the article on Origen:

"Alexandrian theologian Origen (ca 185 - ca 254) was the first
church leader of stature to challenge the premillennial orthordoxy
of the early church. Completely dedicated to the allegorical
method of interpertation like his mentor, Clement of Alexandria,
Origen spiritualize virtually every Christian doctrine."

Recall that if you spiritualize eschatology, you end up with
some a-millinnial position.
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Someone was going "Meow" long before Darby.....

 

6. There are some who waste 27 hours because someone yanked
their chain when they could have better spent
that time studying Scripture.

I made it clear that the 27 hours were Bible study.
HOpe nobody gets dizzy twisting my statements.

OldRegular: "5. ... Chafer, Ryrie, Walvoord, Pentecost ... "

Strange, I don't remember noting their posts here.

OldRegular: "2. Yet they beat others over the head because our doctrine dates from the early Church fathers, actually from Scripture itself."

Tee hee. I've quote more scripture than give my own opinions
or gripe incessantly about the posting skills of other
poster. Tis my theory of Dispensation which is Biblically based.
However, nobody heard what my Dispensation Doctrine
is because i've never taught it yet. Yet you shoot your little
shot gun all over the place hoping to shoot down everything i
say, if i say anything. Meanwhile, the a-mill thread has nobody
there defending the a-mill position.

 

Who?

 

I believe that anyone who does 27 hours of Bible study should be able to get more out of it than the following nonsensical statement.

Ed Edwards, I understand now why you are a dispensationalist.

Perhaps that is another one of your problems Ed Edwards, You don't read. I bet you have never read all those requests for one passage of scripture showing a pretrib removal of the Church.

By the way I have posted Chafer's, Ryrie's, Walvoord's, and Pentecost's false statements about the parenthesis or intercalculation Church on this forum.

The word dispensation comes from the Greek word oikonomia which means the management of a household or of household affairs. The word does not occur in the Old Testament and occurs only seven times in the New Testament. On four occasions it is translated dispensation and on three occasions it is translated stewardship.

The New Scofield Reference Bible defines a dispensation as “a period of time during which man is tested in respect to his obedience to some specific revelation of the will of God” and distinguishes seven dispensations: Innocence, Conscience, Human Government, Promise, Law, the Church, and the Kingdom.

Let us count. There are 5 dispensations assigned to the Old Testament where it is not even mentioned; there is one assigned to the present age, and there is one assigned to never never land.

 

Three days since anybody thought enough to to post at the
A-mill topic

http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/3/2798.html?

 

OldRegular: "By the way I have posted Chafer's, Ryrie's, Walvoord's, and Pentecost's false statements about the parenthesis or intercalculation Church on this forum"

Again, i protest. You are debating people not posting here and
ignoring ed who is debating here.

 

Hi, Oldregular...

You posted:
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quote:
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Originally posted by mcgyver:
Someone was going "Meow" long before Darby.....

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Who?
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A couple of folks.....Papias of Hierapolis, Ireaneus, Tertullian, Justin Martyr, Hippolytus.......

Give me until Monday eve. and I'll dig out some exerpts........
They seemed to like Meow Mix

 

No comments?
Does anybody here study out of the Bible?

 

Ignoring me is bringing disreputation ...

 

Got to get ready for church tomorrow...

Hope everyone has a "Good Sunday go t' meeting"!

 

May God bless on you real good, Bro. mcgyver.

 

"Ignoring me is bringing disreputation" ...