Dispensationalists

Ignoring me is bringing disreputation ... </font>[/QUOTE]Ed Edwards

I quoted those same 4 verses of Scripture somewhere on this Forum but it sure did not make me a follower of Darby/Scofield or any other kind of dispensaationalist.

 

Well hello stranger than I. I’m here because you went off and left without a word in the “Rapture” thread. You may be getting close to believing the correct rendering, and I wanted to give you opportunity to hear more.

1. They argue that just because dispensationalism is a relatively new doctrine does not mean that it is wrong.

I have never used that argument. However it is young of age in the history of the world. It dates to circa A.D. 60. Gods dispensations are from the beginning, but our dispensation had its beginning on Damascus Road.

To save time and effort it may be better to direct your “strange” ideology questions, or statements of this nature to God. He’ll quickly advise they are His dispensations, and He gave this “secret” dispensation to Paul. That’s the reason we (I) call it Paul’s dispensational gospel. But we must first read the Epistles of Paul to know what Christ from heaven reveals to Paul.

2. Yet they beat others over the head because our doctrine dates from the early Church fathers, actually from Scripture itself.

Amen! But we most likely disagree on the word “father”, and the number of them.

3. They have not been able to show one passage of Scripture that teaches a pretrib rapture or that teaches Jesus Christ offered the Jews an earthly Messianic kingdom which they rejected.

I answered each of your points on the “Rapture thread”, and no answers thus far that I can see. I see Ed Edwards has also, and no telling how many more. EE, and I, I am sure do not agree on every little thing (we may think they are big), but I believe we are in sight of each other in Christ.

I will agree with you however that Pretrib and the Rapture will not stand up to scrutiny for those that don’t have some understanding of the gospel of Paul. So it will be impossible for you to see this teaching. He’ll show if you ask and it is His will.

Once one can see the Rapture, the next step in understanding is possible for we have just admitted that our God really is a God of dispensations. That next step will bring to believe and understand pre-tribulation. How? Because we know there begins another dispensation after the Rapture. Just as the Red Sea came together again after the division, so will God begin dealing directly again with His people. We on dry land have gone and the troubled waters return as we are snatched up. Almost all of His people remain, with the unbelieving Gentile. ”Our Father (not Messiah) which art in heaven…………..they kingdom come” and please get us out of here. ”If not then please fed us, as we can neither buy nor sell, and please don’t lead us into anymore trials.” Please.

Then Christ will come. We know from His Word all that the Apostles had to do was ask, and Christ said He would answer in the affirmative. They could move mountains, strike people dead, heal the sick, and anything they asked in His name it would be done. In the preview of His kingdom they could and did many of these things, and more. This is not so today, as His Word shows we are to pray Thy will be done. We don’t get too many answered prayers as it is not His will for us. In that day when He comes, it will be because they His nation asked in that prayer that so many denominations pray every Sunday, not knowing it is not for them, or any today. We pray for the rapture of our bodies to join with our newborn spirit and soul that have already taken up residence in Him.

Then they will pray in that dispensation for what they had been promised, the earth in the kingdom of God, and He will give it to them. I had much rather be with Christ Jesus now in Heaven than to wait for the kingdom to come for His people. Evidently some had rather take chance to see if they can make it through the tribulation. It will not be by the tribulation I enter a kingdom of God of the earth, but through His blood into His kingdom in heaven.

I see the pretrib rapture, and the earthly Messianic kingdom accepted, so they must have rejected it.

I hope you can see the dispensations here, and believe Jesus while on the earth, and also the gospel that He gave to Paul. Bring His earthly ministry (not for us) together with the Spirit, and we have His earthly inheritance, and His heavenly inheritance. He taught this in Matthew, but no one understood. How could they? He had not yet told Paul His secret. If you can't buy this then disprove that Jesus is the King of the Jew that will inherit the earth, and He is our Lord and Savior that will take us unto Himself in His kingdom of Heaven, where we will be with Him forever. We'll be like little "puppy dogs", we Gentile's. Tail's wagging and eager to please. But now we will be able to eat and drink at tables, the same food and drink that He will serve His 12 Apostles when they arrive from their kingdom to join Him once again. We are invited to the party, this celebration of the marriage of Israel in Jerusalem. Where He goes, we go.

4. They accuse amillennialists of following heretical teachings or being pseudo Romanists. They can’t make up their mind which is the father of the allegorical method of interpretation Origen or Augustine and who is the worst heretic, Origen, Augustine, or amillennialists in general.

They are not me.

5. I have not seen anyone accuse the dispensationalists of being heretics even though the stalwarts of dispensational doctrine such as Chafer, Ryrie, Walvoord, Pentecost, etc. accuse Jesus Christ of failing His appointed task. They worry more about being called followers of Darby than they do calling fellow Christians heretics; gnostics; quacks; liars; ignorant; devoid of reason, truth, reality, or intellectual honesty; obscene; evil and sinful; and either a lying dog or a blind drunk.

Lets be fair here. Paul has been called that name, hyper, overboard, and what ever may come to mind, as have all dispensationalists including me. Out of those descriptions you list (you’ve probably left out some for brevity), I would use only one. Choose which ever you like for yourself, if it fits.

6. There are some who waste 27 hours because someone yanked their chain when they could have better spent that time studying Scripture. Must be terrible being chained!

We are free in Christ and we live in liberty. But if we should ever think we could get away from Him, we would think we were chained. But when we are sealed, we are sealed till then, and nothing, thing, or any creation of God can break that seal.

7. And then there are some clever enough to understand that if you turn 999 upside down it is 666, and he only gets paid $37/hr.

You have taught me something I didn’t know OldRegular. Got scripture for that. I never knew I could get paid to stand on my head to turn that 999 to where I could see the 666. But I do see a connection. The feet think they are the Head.

 

Itutut,

This was Ed Edwards intelligent (?) remark!!!

HEY ED EDWARD....ITUTUT wants to know if you..."
Got scripture for that. I never knew I could get paid to stand on my head to turn that 999 to where I could see the 666. But I do see a connection."

ED, ITUTUT also thinks your "...feet think they are the Head.

By Jove I think he's got it!!!!!

 

HEY ED EDWARD....ITUTUT wants to know if you..."
Got scripture for that. I never knew I could get paid to stand on my head to turn that 999 to where I could see the 666. But I do see a connection."

ED, ITUTUT also thinks your "...feet think they are the Head.

By Jove I think he's got it!!!!! </font>[/QUOTE]Can I give that an AMEN?

 

The four 'of's of dispensation
(in the KJV1769):

1. of the gospel - 1 Cor 9:17
2. of the fullness of times - Eph 1:10
3. of the Grace of God - Eph 3:2
4. of God - Col 1:25

Which of these conclusions do you agree with?
They come from a post i made on page 2:

*souls shall be harvested at the end of this age
*Jesus is with us completely to the end of the age.
*the age has an end
*people will have eternal life, in the age to come
*there is a future age when marriage is NOT, after resurrection from the ead
*this age has a disputer
*the wisdom of this age will come to nothing
*the rules of this age will come to nothing
*the god of this age is NOT Jesus, the Christ
*this age is evil
*there is an age to follow this age
* this age is dark
* this age has rich people in it
* there will be "good ... powers" in the age to come.
*There will be ages after this age.
*There were ages before this age.
*ages are similiar to generations

 

Well hello stranger than I. I’m here because you went off and left without a word in the “Rapture” thread. You may be getting close to believing the correct rendering, and I wanted to give you opportunity to hear more. </font>[/QUOTE]Actually I am still posting on the rapture thread.

 

Ed,

You've mentioned several times that you've never shared your brand of dispensationalism with us yet.

So? When are you going to reveal it?

Tell us what you believe.

 

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Pretrib pre-mill outline of time forward:

0. church age continues &lt;== you are here!
1. rapture/resurrection event
2. Tribulation time
3. Second Advent of Jesus event
4. literal MK=millinnial kingdom
5. new heaven & new earth

The timeline according to Matthew 24
(Mount Olivet Discourse, also Matthew 25,
Mark 13, Luke 21):

0. church age continues &lt;== you are here!
Matthew 24:4-15

1. rapture/resurrection event
Matthew 24:31-44

2. Tribulation time
Matthew 24:21-28

3. Second Advent of Jesus event
Matthew 24:29-30)

Not mentioned in Matthew 24:
(4. literal MK=millinnial kingdom)
(5. new heaven & new earth)

The timeline according to Revelation:

0. church age continues - Rev 2-3 &lt;== you are here!
1. rapture/resurrection event - Rev 4:1 (type)
2. Tribulation time - Rev 4:2-19:10
3. Second Advent of Jesus event - Rev 19:11-21
4. literal MK=millinnial kingdom - Rev 20:1-6
5. new heaven & new earth - Rev 20:7-22:5

The timeline according to 2 Thessalonians 2:

0. church age continues &lt;== you are here!
(implied, until the falling away)

1. rapture/resurrection
v.1 - gathering together unto him
v.3 - falling away

2. Tribulation time
(time of the man of sin)

3. Second Advent of Jesus event
v.1 - coming of our Lord Jesus Christ
v.8

Not mentioned:
(4. literal MK=millinnial kingdom)
(5. new heaven & new earth)

BTW, I believed in the pretribulation rapture/resurrection
before i saw these three scriptures as pretrib.
So even if you can prove all three of these scriptures
in error, i'll still hope in the pretribulation rapture
as will 90% of Baptists and kindred Christians.
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They told me that it was Strange, Revelation never mentions
the pretribulation rapture/resurrection. One day i found
it at Revelatiion 1:4 above.

They told me that it was Strange, Jesus never mentiones
the pretribulation rapture/resurrection. Then my preacher
told be about the retorical technique of the posysendton
'and' and i found the pretribulation rapture in
Matthew 24:31-44 as read by the three questions in
Matthew 24:3.

So why should i follow someone else's lead to
dispensationalism? OldDryBread has already defeated all
known systems of dispensation. But the one that the
Holy Spirit leads me to will be IRON CLAD and unbreakable.
And how am i to know what it is until i get there?

But i know this, it won't be a bankrupt Origenist a-mill theory.

 

Ed's Pretrib pre-mill outline of time forward corrected to a post-trib, premill outline:

0. church age continues - you are here!
1. Tribulation time
2. Second Advent of Jesus event
3. rapture/resurrection event
4. literal MK=millinnial kingdom
5. new heaven & new earth

The timeline according to Matthew 24
Mount Olivet Discourse, also Matthew 25,
Mark 13, Luke 21:

0. church age continues - you are here!
Matthew 24:4-14

1. Tribulation time
Matthew 24:15-28

2. Second Advent of Jesus event
Matthew 24:29-30

3. rapture/resurrection event
Matthew 24:31

Note the chronological order of the verses as opposed to Ed's inversion to fit his pre-trib grid.

Not mentioned in Matthew 24:
4. literal MK=millinnial kingdom
5. new heaven & new earth

The timeline according to Revelation:

0. church age continues - Rev 2-19 - you are here!
1. Tribulation time - Rev 4:1-19:10
2. Second Advent of Jesus event - Rev 19:1-21
3. rapture/resurrection event - 19:1-21
4. literal MK=millinnial kingdom - Rev 20:1-6
5. new heaven & new earth - Rev 20:7-22:5

The timeline according to 2 Thessalonians 2:

0. church age continues - you are here!
1. Tribulation must occur first vv. 1-5
(lawless one must be revealed first)
2. Second Advent of Christ event v. 8
(lawless one destroyed at coming of Christ)
3. rapture/resurrection v. 1
(takes place at second coming)

Note the natural reading of the text when taken at face value. The tribulation occurs, the lawless one is destroyed at Christ's second coming and we are gathered to Christ.

Not mentioned:
4. literal MK = millinnial kingdom
5. new heaven & new earth


Ed you still haven't told us what your brand of dispensationalism is, but whatever it is, it is obviously coloring your interpretation of the above texts.

 

Lets see:

1. There is the progressive dispensationalism of Bock, Blaising, and Saucy;

2. There is the classic dispensationalism of Chafer, Ryrie, Walvoord, Pentecost, and possibly Darby and Scofield;

3. There is the hyper-dispensationalism of Bullinger.

The extent of erroneous doctrine increases drastically, perhaps exponentially, from type 1 thru type 3.

Where does the dispensationalism of Ed Edwards fit? No one knows but Ed Edwards, and perhaps he doesn't.

One thing is certain there is no such thing as Pauline dispensationalism!!!!!!! The dispensationalism of Paul is summed up in the following Scripture [NASB, original]

1Corinthians 9:17. For if I do this voluntarily, I have a reward; but if against my will, I have a stewardship entrusted to me.

Ephesians 1:10. with a view to an administration suitable to the fulness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things upon the earth.

Ephesians 3:2. if indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God’s grace which was given to me for you;

Colossians 1:25.Of this church I was made a minister according to the stewardship from God bestowed on me for your benefit, that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God,

 

Old Regular,

You've probably already stated your position elsewhere, but could you state again for me.

I abandoned the classic dispensationalism that I was taught as a child and came to understand the Scriptures to teach a post-trib, premill eschatology. I was shocked to read the Last Trumpet web site and find out that my position has a name, progressive dispensationalism with a post trib rapture. I've never read Block, Blasing or Saucy, but I think that I will to see what they have to say.

Your assessment of the degrees of dispensationalism is interesting, although I wouldn't think that my position is in error.

You are also right about Ed not telling us what dispensational label he wears or if he even knows.

Thanks for the dialogue. You realize, that if there is no millennium, you and I appear to be saying the same thing, except that I would be off by a thousand year interim period. No big deal. But if pre-trib rapturists are wrong, they are giving millions a false hope of escaping persecution and tribulation.

 

Whomever: "1. There is the progressive dispensationalism of Bock, Blaising, and Saucy;

2. There is the classic dispensationalism of Chafer, Ryrie, Walvoord, Pentecost, and possibly Darby and Scofield;

3. There is the hyper-dispensationalism of Bullinger.

The extent of erroneous doctrine increases drastically, perhaps exponentially, from type 1 thru type 3.

Where does the dispensationalism of Ed Edwards fit?"

1. I never heard of Bock, Blaising, and Saucy

2. I never heard of Chafer
I did hear of Ryrie, Walvoord, Pentecost, and possibly Darby and Scofield. But only what
was believed by Schofield is all i know about
them. Oh yes, i picked up quite a bit of stuff
about Darby from people who Hate Him. If i'm
right about what i har from those who hate Darby,
he is Superman, Batman, and the antichrist all
rolled up in one.

3. I never head of Bullinger

I get my doctrine right out of the Bible and
don't deal with these information brokers.
Men's doctrines. And my revelation of what i
find out from the Holy Spirit about the
Bible Doctrine of DISPENSATIONs will be on
God's timing which ain't a bit like nobody's
timing, especially a-mill's timing which
always goes backwards

 

Paul33

Following is what I believe concerning the Amillennial doctrine. Though I debate vigorously with the Dispensationalists concerning the End Time events that is not the major problem I have with Dispensationalism. I believe that God has only one people the Church, not two, as the Dispensationalist argue. It is my understanding that the Progressive Dispensationalists are moving in this direction, a position that essentially mirrors the Historic or Covenant Premillennial doctrine. I disagree with Historic Premillenniamism, which was the doctrine of many in the early Church, but since their doctrine of the Church is the same as Amillennialism, and also Post Millennialism, I have no real problem with that doctrine

Amillennialism

A number of writers have noted that the term Amillennialism does not accurately portray Amillennial doctrine but implies that Amillennialists do not believe in a millennium or ignore the first six verses of Revelation 20, neither of which is true. However, no one has suggested a more appropriate name that has received wide acceptance.

Those people who hold the Amillennial doctrine believe in a general or universal resurrection [that is a resurrection of all the dead at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ] followed by the general, the Great White Throne judgment. Perhaps the most significant passage of Scripture that teaches a general resurrection and judgment is spoken by the Lord Jesus Christ:

John 5:28,29, KJV
28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Other Scripture which teach a general resurrection and judgment are:

Acts 24:14,15, KJV
14. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
15. And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

It follows, therefore, that Amillennialists do not believe that Jesus Christ reigns from an earthly throne for a period of one thousand years. Rather Amillennialists in general believe that the deceased Saints [those who have part in the first resurrection, the resurrection of Jesus Christ] are now reigning with Jesus Christ in heaven. Some Amillennialists believe that the ‘millennial’ reign refers to the influence of the Church in the world. This period [the millennium of Revelation 20, a definite but unrevealed period of time] extends from the ascension of Jesus Christ until His return, His Second Coming, in power and glory. [The chaining of Satan in Revelation 20 is a symbolic representation of this limitation on the power of Satan.] Amillennialists in general recognize that the Church on earth has and will always undergo tribulation, as Jesus Christ promised:

John 16:33, KJV
33. These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Some Amillennialists believe that this tribulation will increase in intensity as the return of Jesus Christ approaches [Matthew 24]. Amillennialist believe that the Church is present during this period. To bring this tribulation to an end Jesus Christ returns with the souls of the deceased Saints. Many who hold the Amillennialist view also believe that there will be a large scale conversion of the Jews prior to the return of Jesus Christ.

The glorious return of our Lord Jesus Christ will be accompanied by the trumpet of God and the shout of the archangel [Matthew 24:31; 1 Corinthians 15:51,52; 1 Thessalonians 4:16; and Revelation 11:15-18]. At this time the dead in Christ will be resurrected [rise first], the living believers will be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye and both groups will meet Jesus Christ in the air [where the resurrected bodies will reunite with their souls] and accompany Him to the earth. There will be a resurrection of those who died without Jesus Christ as Saviour, followed by the Great White Throne judgment [Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 20:11-15]. Satan, whose power has been limited by the victory of Jesus Christ over death [Hebrews 2:14, 1 John 3:8, Matthew 12:28-29], and his followers will be cast into the lake of fire. The new heaven and new earth will be created wherein dwelleth righteousness [2 Peter 3:10-13; Revelation 21:1]. There are many expositors who believe that rather than a completely new creation the heavens and earth will be restored to the purity with which they were originally created. [See Andrew Hoekema’s The Bible and the Future, Chapter 20.] This new creation and the life of the redeemed with God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are gloriously described in Revelation 21-22.

Amillennialists in general believe that the Old Testament promises not fulfilled in the Church will be fulfilled in the new heaven and new earth. Hoekema discusses the implications of this belief in The Bible and the Future. It must be noted at this time that reference to the one thousand year period occurs only in Revelation 20. The glorious kingdom promised by God to His people in the Old Testament was to last forever, not one thousand years.

 

Paul33: "1. Tribulation time
Matthew 24:15-28

2. Second Advent of Jesus event
Matthew 24:29-30

3. rapture/resurrection event
Matthew 24:31

Note the chronological order of the verses as opposed to Ed's inversion to fit his pre-trib grid."

Well, the order is the order of the quesions asked in
Matthew 24:3. I'm using the Bible to explain the Bible.

Matthew 24:3 (HCSB):
While He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples
approached Him privately and said, "Tell us,
when will these things happen?
And what is the sign of Your coming
and of the end of the age?

1) when will the Temple be destroyed
Oh, i wrote it before hand. Where did I put it?
AH, here:

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In Matthew 24:3 the disciples of Jesus
ask three questions:

(in the order asked):
1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
2. What is the sign of His coming?
3. What is the sign of the end of age?

Jesus answers these questions in
Matthew 24:4-44, then follows them with
some parables.

Here are the answers of Jesus in the
order the questions were asked:

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Matthew 24:4-14

2. What is the sign of His coming?
Matthew 24:15-30

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
Matthew 24:31-44

Here is a summary of the answers
in the order in which events will occur:

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Soon, it was in 70AD

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
No signs preceeding the end of the age

2. What is the sign of His coming?
The Sign of His coming will be the
Tribulation period.

Recall the Greek language in which this
Mount Olivet Discourse (MOD) was written
did not have Microsoft Word to do it with.
So many ands, buts, and other connectors
give the outline. I believe the major
outline to be:

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Matthew 24:4-14

2. What is the sign of His coming?
Matthew 24:15-30

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
Matthew 24:31-44

The Gathering in Matthew 24:31 is the
Rapture/resurrection which ends the
current church age (gentile age, age of grace,
last days, etc.)

Thus Matthew 24:4-14 describes all of the
church age even up to this time.
Matthew 24:4-14 describes the church age.
The signs of Matthew 24:4-14 are signs
that the church age continues.
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Notice many confuse the signs of the continuation
of the church age as signs of the end of the
church age. In fact the sign of the pretribulation
rapture that ends the church age is NO SIGNS AT ALL.

 

Whomever: "Amillennialists in general believe that the Old Testament promises not fulfilled in the Church will be fulfilled in the new heaven and new earth."

So Damascus will be destroyed in the same new heaven and
new earth in which babies play in the spider den?

Whomever: "The glorious kingdom promised by God to His people in the Old Testament was to last forever, not one thousand years."

I find it is dangerous to limit the power of God. I find that
God has three Kingdoms of which two are:
1) the etermal Kingdom
2) the 1,000 year Physical Kingdom

(sorry to mention it, i don't have the write-up done yet.
Talk to my Boss about the scheduling problems )

 

Well Mr. Ed it is not I who limit the power of God but you dispensationalists. Remember He came to establish a Messianic Kingdom for the Jews and they wouldn't let Him so He took the fallback position and established the Church instead. By the way what happened to the 3rd kingdom??????????

Thank God dispensationalism is a dying doctrine as evidenced by the rise of Progressive Dispensationalism which I suspect will soon meld with Historic Premillennialism.

 

OLD REGULAR,

GOOD JOB ON AMILLENIALISM DOCTRINE!

Could you elaborate and clarify what you mean concerning the "first resurrection of the deceased Saints though?" I'm not sure we're in agreement with this. Are you saying that there are two resurrections? One already occuring at the resurrection of Christ and the next one upon his Second Coming? If so, could you provide scripture for that?

Thanks!

 

I didn't
mention it so you could string
out a line of question marks (?).

 

Old Regular,

Historic Premillennialism is the term that I was using to describe my views until I was introduced to the term progressive dispensationalism.

Really, the only reason "progressive dispensationalism" as a term is used is to pacify classic dispensationalists. No doubt, thousands of progressive dispensationalists work in classic dispensationalist arenas, requiring the "pd" term.

"PD" believes in one people of God, and one plan of God, and sees the continuity between OT ISRAEL and the NT Church (True Israel and grafted in Gentiles). So we have much in common.

Where I disagree with you is in seeing the general resurrection verses as being expansive enough to include the First Resurrection of Rev. 20:1-5 and the Second Ressurrection that happens at the end of a "literal" thousand year reign of Christ on earth. Bemis Seat of Christ is the judgment for Christians at the First Resurrection and Great White Throne Judgment is the judgment for unbelievers at the Second Resurrection. The purpose of the literal reign of Christ on earth is to fulfill OT promises. The Thousand Years then melds into the New Heaven and New Earth, and the Kingdom promised is eternal, with Christ ruling for all eternity.

The difference, then, is only an expansion of the general resurrection. Collapse the literal premillennial reign and we are back to your position. Either way, fellowship, should be more than possible.

Classic dispensationalists, however, have such a radical view of God's plan that fellowship within churches becomes almost impossible. If you are not pre-trib, you are out. If you don't maintain the thousand years, you are out. If you don't see an eternal distinction between Israel and the Church, you are out.

So Historic Premillennialism (Progressive Dispensationalists who are post-trib) and Ammillennialism actually seem quite close to one another. View the Church/Israel issue the same. View the Second coming event similarly. Differ on the insertion of the thousand years. But the basic interpretive underpinnings are the same.

Basically, we differ on how to interpret verses referring to the reign of Christ on earth.

The tragic result of classic dispensationalism is the division (no pun intended) it causes the body of Christ.

 

Ed,

You may not have read Chafer, etc. But you didn't get your position in a vacuum. Someone along the way planted the seed of dispensationalism into your head. You may not know when this occurred. But most certainly it did.

Accept the idea of a pretrib rapture, and the rest of dispensationalism comes with it.