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disregarding the role of the Holy Spirit?

agedman

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I have wondered when worship became so focused on us and what we do in terms of corporate praise instead of on God and what He had done. It seems to me that our act of worship should be presenting ourselves as sacrifices based on who God is and what He's done through redemptive history in hope and light of that final salvation to come.

Personally, I do not know how many more times I can stand in church and invoke God to take His place or be asked to "give God a hand (clapping)" after a song. The first seems almost pagan to me and the latter childish.



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Especially when someone invokes the Psalm 47!

Do they not know that the word "clap" is to be taken as a single blow? It is the expression seen most often when one encounters something wonderful as a grandmother sees the grandchild for the first time, slaps the hands together in a clasp. Or one may slap their head when they remember something forgotten.

Just any excess is excusable in the modern church, immorality, over indulgence, charisma, ... If it is all done "For the Lord" then it must certainly be approved by God. :(
 

Jerome

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More from the dean of Reformed Baptist Seminary:

https://reformedbaptistfellowship.w...24/old-grumpy-and-actually-reformed/#comments
the author seems to think “serious” worship automatically precludes rock bands, dancing, and waving hands. Yet the Bible describes acts of authentic, God-honoring worship that include multiple instrumental accompaniment (including strings and percussion), dance (see the case of David), and the waving and clapping of hands.
Moreover, the Bible provides no warrant for limited corporate praise to paraphrases of the Psalms. That’s a man-made invention and a violation of the very RPW it professes to uphold. Such a restrictive view of worship may be “grumpy,” but it’s not biblical.
 

Internet Theologian

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We visited a church in the past and several 'worship leaders' would get on stage and act like a high school pep rally was taking place. They talked often of how excited they were, and then pointed out that others just didn't seem to be as excited so 'boo hiss' on them. The church is now defunct and the newest ministry to take over is now mostly about wrestling.

Excitement is not worship.
 

InTheLight

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Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise.
Psalms 33:3

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Aaron

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To be brief, some folks I know have discovered their denomination (not Baptist) are holding seminars to teach "worship leaders" how to use lighting, sound, lasers, room temp, fog machines, etc to "create worship experiences". Some of their preachers are complaining that these "worship leaders" are using all those to lift people into emotional frenzies, then land them gently but exhausted emotionally and mentally to the point the preaching can't seem to reach anyone.

Your take on this practice?
This battle was lost 20 years ago. Our flush toilets mean that all kinds of innovation is allowed in worship.
 
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Aaron

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I am done with churches that manipulate me with theatrics. I think the Gospel is powerful enough to draw people. Churches are running into the law of diminishing returns. If you draw people with theatrics you have to keep them with theatrics and you keep having to one up yourself, or people will soon get bored.
Don't forget you have to stay young.
 

JonC

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Excitement is not worship.
Yep....it's hard for me when I feel like I'm in a pep rally for Jesus.
But I suppose the opposite end is people who are not excited about worship (I've also attended emotionless services with people reverently singing hymns without effect). Churches can go to extremes in both directions.
 

TCassidy

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Curches are running into the law of diminishing returns. If you draw people with theatrics you have to keep them with theatrics and you keep having to one up yourself, or people will soon get bored.
When you come for the wrong reason, to be entertained, you will leave when you are no longer being entertained.

If you come for the right reason, to hear the gospel preached and see souls drawn to Christ, you will stay and become a part of that worthy endeavor.

Psalm 66:16 Come, and hear, all you who fear God. I will declare what he has done for my soul.

I love to tell the story
of unseen things above,
of Jesus and his glory,
of Jesus and his love.
I love to tell the story,
because I know 'tis true;
it satisfies my longings
as nothing else can do.

I love to tell the story,
'twill be my theme in glory,
to tell the old, old story
of Jesus and his love.

I love to tell the story;
more wonderful it seems
than all the golden fancies
of all our golden dreams.
I love to tell the story,
it did so much for me;
and that is just the reason
I tell it now to thee.

I love to tell the story,
'twill be my theme in glory,
to tell the old, old story
of Jesus and his love.

I love to tell the story;
'tis pleasant to repeat
what seems, each time I tell it,
more wonderfully sweet.
I love to tell the story,
for some have never heard
the message of salvation
from God's own holy Word.

I love to tell the story,
'twill be my theme in glory,
to tell the old, old story
of Jesus and his love.

I love to tell the story,
for those who know it best
seem hungering and thirsting
to hear it like the rest.
And when, in scenes of glory,
I sing the new, new song,
'twill be the old, old story
that I have loved so long.

I love to tell the story,
'twill be my theme in glory,
to tell the old, old story
of Jesus and his love.
 
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