Disrespect for our President

[Scarlett O.]

The moral of the story is that as long as you justify what you say in terms of having respect for the office of President you can say or feel however you want in regards to our President.

If that's what you are getting, then you need to go back and re-read the story. :flower:

Christians are not barred from speaking against wickedness, injustice, unrighteousness, and evil.

What we are commanded NOT to do is to speak wickedly, unjustly, unrighteously, and with an evil and slanderous tongue.

When one can distinguish the two, one can understand the story. I can tell you that our current president is a horrible president and cite evidence of that without speaking sinfully. And his ineptness as a president can also be asserted with a sinful tongue.

 

[targus]

Yes good point as well, playing semantics with the word respect is a good way around having respect for the President as well.

No sematics.

How do you decide if what is being said is "respect" and what is not respect?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Can you point out a specific "disrespectful" comment, so we can get some real conversation going ?

And if you want to be taken seriously, get rid of the Slash avatar. It makes you appear to me to be a troll. You cannot throw Christ's name around and have any authority. Have you ever read the lyrics to his songs ? Are they respectful to anybody ?

 

[LadyEagle]

Definition of "respect" from Internet:

re·spect/riˈspekt/
Noun:
A feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.
Verb:
Admire (someone or something) deeply, as a result of their abilities, qualities, or achievements.

I do not admire or deeply admire obama for his abilities, qualiities, or achievements.

Guilty as charged. :flower:

 

[targus]

I feel that the OP author is disrespecting me with his accusations. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[TadQueasy]

I can tell you that our current president is a horrible president and cite evidence of that without speaking sinfully. And his ineptness as a president can also be asserted with a sinful tongue.

I agree with you, one can do that. The problem is many do not do it that way. They make statements about him not being their president or try to get around different definitions of respect. But yet they try to justify it as alright because they have this "respect for the office" mentality. It would be like me saying to my friend, I have a great deal of respect for "wives" but your wife is a (bleepty bleep bleep). And when he gets upset saying, whoa back off there man, I told you I have respect for "wives" so we are good. It just does not work that way, and it is sad to see so many Christians today try to get away with that in regards to the President of our country.

 

[TadQueasy]

And if you want to be taken seriously, get rid of the Slash avatar. It makes you appear to me to be a troll. You cannot throw Christ's name around and have any authority. Have you ever read the lyrics to his songs ? Are they respectful to anybody ?

My avatar has absolutely nothing to do with anything in this conversation. But thanks for the advice.

 

[targus]

I agree with you, one can do that. The problem is many do not do it that way. They make statements about him not being their president or try to get around different definitions of respect. But yet they try to justify it as alright because they have this "respect for the office" mentality. It would be like me saying to my friend, I have a great deal of respect for "wives" but your wife is a (bleepty bleep bleep). And when he gets upset saying, whoa back off there man, I told you I have respect for "wives" so we are good. It just does not work that way, and it is sad to see so many Christians today try to get away with that in regards to the President of our country.

So let's follow your analogy.

Do you have respect for all wives without regard for their behavior or character?

How about wives that commit adultry? Do you respect them?

How about wives that are alcoholics that neglect their children? Do you respect them?

Wives that spend like drunken sailors while their kids go hungry? Do you respect them?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

My avatar has absolutely nothing to do with anything in this conversation. But thanks for the advice.

I think it does. And you didn't answer my first question. Wanna try again ?

 

[TadQueasy]

I think it does. And you didn't answer my first question. Wanna try again ?

I stated a specific example I have heard recently in the OP. And if you want more just spend a few mins reading through the numerous threads here in the political section.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I don't see disrespect. If those examples equal disrespect, then Targus is right, you are showing us disrespect by disagreeing with us.

What, SPECIFICALLY, have you seen that is disrespectful ? I don't want to hear about an unproveable third-party sob story. You accused us here of being disrespectful.


How do you feel about how Sarah Palin has been treated ? Is disrespect just a republican problem ?

 

[Bobby Hamilton]

It bothers me to hear the disrespect that many believers today have for President Obama. I have recently heard a fellow believer proclaim in a SS class that he was not her president and she did not have to pray for him since she did not vote for him and did not agree with him. I have heard others say similar things and have read things on this very board that sadden me. I did not vote for Pres Obama and will more than likely not vote for him this fall, but he is still our president and he deserves respect, especially the respect and prayers of believers whose lives have been transformed by Christ.

Respect is earned. Not given unjustly. What has he done to earn it?

 

[TadQueasy]

I don't see disrespect.

Of course you don't because there is the wrong letter in front of Obama's name. I know how the game is played.

Ms. Palin has been treated with a great deal of disrespect as well.

 

[TadQueasy]

Respect is earned. Not given unjustly. What has he done to earn it?

Ah yes another way to justify things. I am quite frankly surprised it has taken this long to get to this one.

If you want to be taken seriously around here you better change your avatar, no one is going to consider you anything more than a troll with such a bad driver posted there. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[mandym]

My avatar has absolutely nothing to do with anything in this conversation. But thanks for the advice.

It has something to do with every conversation you have. Why any christian would want to be associated with this guy is beyond me. You are worried about your personal perceived notion of disrespect to the President when you associate yourself with this guy in this way. So tell us all why you carry this Avatar?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

All of that being said, I find Obama to be a disgusting person. Dishonest, bully, criminal, unqualified, incompetent, all fit him, and none are disrespectful of the office of president. It's BECAUSE I respect the office of President that I want team zero and his band of thieves out of Washington forever.

 

[TadQueasy]

It has something to do with every conversation you have. Why any christian would want to be associated with this guy is beyond me. You are worried about your personal perceived notion of disrespect to the President when you associate yourself with this guy in this way.

Thank you for sharing your opinion on this once again. I appreciate it, hope you have a great day.

 

[mandym]

If you want to be taken seriously around here you better change your avatar, no one is going to consider you anything more than a troll with such a bad driver posted there. :smilewinkgrin:

Strawman, the issue is not just an avatar but who you seem to associate with. Carrying this avatar indicates some level of support for this person who writes vile songs. Which indicates you like those vile songs.

 

[Bobby Hamilton]

Ah yes another way to justify things. I am quite frankly surprised it has taken this long to get to this one.

If you want to be taken seriously around here you better change your avatar, no one is going to consider you anything more than a troll with such a bad driver posted there. :smilewinkgrin:

1. You failed to answer my question. You want to discuss trolls, yet you ignore my question.

2. Bad mouthing Bobby Hamilton will bring down the full wrath of all that is. He was the 2004 Craftsman Truck Series Champion, and a winner in the Truck, Busch and Cup levels. HOORAH


But no, seriously...that's how I was raised. To a certain extent...you don't just give "respect".

A guy who supports abortions and homosexuality has aboslutely not earned my respect. Add that to numerous bad policies, bailing out companies that should have failed...I don't see something to respect. I don't see something that inspires or looks up too.

With all this said, that doesn't mean I'd spit in his face or throw a tomato at him. You can not show respect to someone without being disrespectful.

 

[TadQueasy]

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

The whole concept of "respect is earned, not given" is one of those that sounds great and looks good on paper, but is no where to be found in Scripture. Romans 13 is clear. The authorities that are in place are God's servants. And being that fact that he has been elected to the highest office in our land and is one of God's servants per Romans 13 is reason enough for believers to respect him.