Divided we Stand Together

[LeBuick]

In this post righteousdude said;

However, you are right, and it's time to put the slavery thing to bed. My parents, and their parents did not own slaves. I'm sure this is true with your family tree also, Webdog. That is a part of American history that is a learning point, and a changing point. I hope we've moved beyond that day and time...and as another person wrote, there are plenty of folks of other racial backgrounds still be held in bondage and different forms of slavery. Now that the blacks are enjoying a new way of life, they should be angry with all the other forms of slavery going on through out the world.

Which Ken responded with

The oppression of African-Americans in the United States lasted for 100 years after slavery ended, until just 40 years ago.

Has the oppression ended?
Is it enough that our parents didn't own slaves?
Is that freedom?
Perhaps the idea of that thread is very true, we are still a divided nation.

Should we be called the divided states or divided we stand together?

I just read this article which made me wonder if this country is really living up to its creed or do we still need organizations like the NAACP or ACLU to represent the oppressed?

If a person can't be elected president strictly because of the color of his skin then I believe these organizations still have a place in our society and Righteousdude and others who believe as he does are wrong. It is not enough to open the plantation gates and declare everyone free. Freedom carries a higher price tag and a deeper commitment from each citizen then I just declare you free. That's called lip service.

Can any candidate unite these divided states?

"My worry is there's just too many people in this country who aren't ready to elect a black president," said Charles L. Silliman, a retired Air Force officer who is Hardy County's Democratic Party co-chairman. "There's a lot to like about him. But I'm just afraid that too many people will vote against him based on their fears and prejudice."

 

[LadyEagle]

I disagree with your premise that the ACLU and NAACP help the oppressed. What contributions they make to "freedom" is a matter of opinion.

Obama's skin color isn't the issue. Many opposed to Obama would vote for Alan Keyes in a heart beat.

 

[Cutter]

Please get off of the, "If a person can't be elected president strictly because of the color of his skin..." bandwagon. Many Americans, (including me) would not have any trouble electing someone of color if they represented their values and political views. The reason so many are against Obama is because he is so doggone liberal and doesn't represent the mainstream. The color of his skin does not effect whether or not he gets my vote, it is his substance and record. MLK said that, "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
This is my prayer, too. Maybe some day we can get there if every decision and action by the white community, based on a person of color, is not judged as racist.

 

[just-want-peace]

I disagree with your premise that the ACLU and NAACP help the oppressed. What contributions they make to "freedom" is a matter of opinion.

Obama's skin color isn't the issue. Many opposed to Obama would vote for Alan Keyes in a heart beat.

There you go messing up a good rant with some common sense!

Shame on you!:BangHead:

 

[LeBuick]

Please get off of the, "If a person can't be elected president strictly because of the color of his skin..." bandwagon. Many Americans, (including me) would not have any trouble electing someone of color if they represented their values and political views. The reason so many are against Obama is because he is so doggone liberal and doesn't represent the mainstream. The color of his skin does not effect whether or not he gets my vote, it is his substance and record. MLK said that, "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
This is my prayer, too. Maybe some day we can get there if every decision and action by the white community, based on a person of color, is not judged as racist.

I can appreciate your comments Cutter and respect the truth that you may not be part of the problem and is helping move this country (one citizen at a time) toward a solution. However, my bandwagon is based on an article I posted which clearly says there are many americans who don't feel as you and I. Unfortunately the article says Obama can't win in Hardy County, W.VA. simply because he is black. This might be the first community to go on record for this reality but it is no secret Obama won't be supported by a cross section of american's which happen to be majority white and not because of his political views.

So my "rant" just-want-peace and my "opinion" LadyEagle are given more than substance by one who honestly spoke for an entire community. This is one community who is 97% white yet I am willing to bet it reflects the views of many american's in some way or another. That being so, it gives justification for groups who support minorities as they struggle for equality in realizing the american dream.

I know this hurts each of us but it might be good if america looks in the mirror every now and then.

I was brought up to believe, that beneath it all, American’s are a decent people with an abiding since of integrity and fair play.

 

[just-want-peace]

I can only speak from my own experience, but IMNSHO, if the liberals (no matter whether R, D or I after their name) just kept their grubby hands to themself when any matter occurred between a white & black, 99.9% of the time it would be resolved with race never being an issue.
IOW the race-baiters just love to yell "RACIST" any time there's a black involved regardless of the nature of the involvement. "Course we all know why - they need division to justify their existance.

In my neck of the woods, there is rarely any racism shown, and when it is, it is frowned on very quickly by most.

If left alone, most racial problems would die a natural death in a very short time.

All?? Most definitely not, but by far the majority of them would cease to exist w/o the race-baiters getting involved.

 

[billreber]

I can only speak from my own experience, but IMNSHO, if the liberals (no matter whether R, D or I after their name) just kept their grubby hands to themself when any matter occurred between a white & black, 99.9% of the time it would be resolved with race never being an issue.
IOW the race-baiters just love to yell "RACIST" any time there's a black involved regardless of the nature of the involvement. "Course we all know why - they need division to justify their existance.

In my neck of the woods, there is rarely any racism shown, and when it is, it is frowned on very quickly by most.

If left alone, most racial problems would die a natural death in a very short time.

All?? Most definitely not, but by far the majority of them would cease to exist w/o the race-baiters getting involved.

AMEN! I was going to say just about exactly what you have said!

I distinctly remember something that happened when I was in high school (I graduated in 1971). For Black History Week, a guest speaker had been invited to our school. This black man was probably the most radical racist our school had ever heard! After an hour of his spewing black-centered racism, as the audience was leaving, a white classmate was bumped (by somebody -- nobody knew who) into a female black classmate; her boyfriend (also black) took issue with this "white attacker". The black female immediately stopped her boyfriend by asking him why he was in such an uproar, when EVERYBODY was being bumped into others as they left the auditorium? BTW, I knew all three quite well, and while I was not there, THEY told me what had really happened -- after what happened next!

The local newspaper reported on this as being a "race riot"! It lasted less than a minute, no fighting or racial epithets occurred, and it was reported as a "race riot"? Come on!

I do not intend to say ALL news reports are overblown like this one was, but how many are? The liberal news media and the ACLU and NCAAP all have an interest in keeping "racism" going. The bad thing is they do not see the black racism that sometimes occurs as being racism. (Did you see that in North Carolina, 97% of blacks voted for Obama? I have a hard time NOT seeing that as a symptom of "black racism" -- did they vote for him because of what he believes, or because he is black? Of course, I do not know the answer, but I suspect the latter.)

If we truly want to do away with racism, we must accept Jesus Christ as our Savior, and work hard to follow what He teaches us. "Love your neighbor as yourself". (Of course, that comes after "Love the Lord your God with all of your heart, all of your soul, and all of your strength"..My personal version.)

Bill :godisgood:

 

[LeBuick]

If we truly want to do away with racism, we must accept Jesus Christ as our Savior, and work hard to follow what He teaches us. "Love your neighbor as yourself". (Of course, that comes after "Love the Lord your God with all of your heart, all of your soul, and all of your strength"..My personal version.)

Bill :godisgood:

Best post I've seen a long time... :applause: :applause: :thumbs:

 

[KenH]

I am very glad that we have the ACLU around to protect our individual liberties in the United States from government usurpation.

 

[Revmitchell]

I am very glad that we have the ACLU around to protect our individual liberties in the United States from government usurpation.

They are an anti-American communist organization

 

[donnA]

I am very glad that we have the ACLU around to protect our individual liberties in the United States from government usurpation.

One thing the ACLU does is protect US citizen from having to be exposed to the gospel, from having to be exposed to christians who beleive the biblbe, and intend on living it.
Basically they protect athiests from having to go to heaven with a God they don't beleive exsists.

 

[LeBuick]

One thing the ACLU does is protect US citizen from having to be exposed to the gospel, from having to be exposed to christians who beleive the biblbe, and intend on living it.
Basically they protect athiests from having to go to heaven with a God they don't beleive exsists.

Which is part of their civil liberties.

Don't forget, there is still freedom of speach so no one is really isolated from the Gospel.

 

[Revmitchell]

Which is part of their civil liberties.

Don't forget, there is still freedom of speech so no one is really isolated from the Gospel.

Teachers do not have freedom of speech in schools. Students do not have freedom of speech at graduation and football games. So please drop the facade.

 

[donnA]

Which is part of their civil liberties.

Don't forget, there is still freedom of speach so no one is really isolated from the Gospel.

If the ACLU had their way, it would be illegal to spread the gospel unless you did it inside your home or church.
they oppose a christians freedom of speech, we've seen that many times, they oppose freedom of religion for christians.


http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=21597
http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/83205988.html
Theres a lot more if you wanted to search for it.

 

[LeBuick]

Teachers do not have freedom of speech in schools. Students do not have freedom of speech at graduation and football games. So please drop the facade.

True, but you can still stand on the street corner or witness in line at the grocery store.

 

[LeBuick]

If the ACLU had their way, it would be illegal to spread the gospel unless you did it inside your home or church.
they oppose a christians freedom of speech, we've seen that many times, they oppose freedom of religion for christians.


http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=21597
http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/83205988.html
Theres a lot more if you wanted to search for it.

No, I agree what extent the ACLU wants to protect us from ourselves but we still have freedom of speach which means they can never win that battle without the constitution changing.

 

[Revmitchell]

True, but you can still stand on the street corner or witness in line at the grocery store.

Even these areas can be problematic. The grocery store being a privately owned business on private property can sqash any witnessing and often do. While street corners are more available there are some cases where witnessing has been halted on street corners and places such as this.

 

[CHRISTian PS Watch]

The ACLU exists to make money for Liberal lawyers who need divisiveness to provide them with case loads.

Sadly, some parts of our constitution are 'more equal' than others. The first amendment guarantees the free practice of religion it also guarantees the separation of church and state. The separation clause is more prominent than the free practice clause. This is a shame. Especially when you consider that the founding fathers allowed the separation part of it to be there in order to keep that state out of our churches. In 21st century America we have twisted it up and gotten it backwards. Not surprising but very sad.

 

[KenH]

If the ACLU had their way, it would be illegal to spread the gospel unless you did it inside your home or church.

That is a false statement.

 

[Revmitchell]

That is a false statement.

Not really.